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9 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 10:41PM
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I have another question. This time it concerns the definition of the word "within".
Does "within" include the square the source targets?
2 examples:
"FIREBALL
Choose 1 square within 5 squares. Deal 30 damage to each creature within 2 squares of it."
"DEATHSENTENCE
1 creature you control within 5 squares makes a melee attack."
Do these cards affect the square of origin, too, or do they only affect the squares within X squares of it, not counting the square itself?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:26AM
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Oct 16, 2009
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I'd like an answer to this as well..
HOw have you been playing it Gap?
Us, its "doesn't include the source square".
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 1:44AM
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Jul 31, 2007
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I would say it does. Otherwise, you'd be able to send in someone into a field of enemies, let them surround him, then drop a fireball on his square without hurting him. It makes no sense.
Death Sentence doesn't target a square. It targets a creature. Or are you trying to have a mini cast it on itself to give it a melee attack? In which case, why not just make the melee attack in the first place instead of tapping to use the card? Or are you trying to get the thing to make a melee attack against itself? In which case, "Melee Attack" doesn't allow for self-targeting. "All creatures can make melee attacks. A melee attack must target a creature adjacent to the attacking creature."
To me, "within" means "to a maximum range of." So, the fireball will damage whatever is in its origin square.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 2:16AM
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@Mike1977: We play it not including the square right now, because the card doesn't say "including this square".
@thewok: Death Sentence is a Minor allowing you to make an additional attack, so it makes sense, IMHO.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 7:28AM
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'Within' in common English means the same as 'not further away than'. You're confusing the two meanings of 'not counting the origin square'. Surely the central square is affected, but squares further away than the X in 'within X' are not? Sounds pretty obvious to me.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 8:58AM
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'Within' in common English means the same as 'not further away than'. You're confusing the two meanings of 'not counting the origin square'. Surely the central square is affected, but squares further away than the X in 'within X' are not? Sounds pretty obvious to me.
Same here. It never even would've occurred to me to not include the target square.
"Within 2 squares" means "2 squares away, 1 square away, and zero squares away."
I'm a little surprised they didn't just import "burst" and "blast" from D&D 4E.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 9:08AM
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It does seem a bit weird flavorfully with Death Sentence since yelling at yourself to beat a guy up is less "heroic leader" and more "comedy option", but I think in gameplay terms it's a far better card and since it's level 3 I assume you can use it on yourself.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 12:59PM
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I know that such a situation would be rare, but since we can attack our own creatures, do you think its possible for a creature to attack himself?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 19, 2012 - 1:33PM
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Jul 31, 2007
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No. Creatures can attack enemies and allied creatures. A creature is not allied with itself.
In terms of melee attacks, it is specified that the target must be adjacent. A creature is not adjacent to itself.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 3:43PM
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Referring back to the origonal post: no you do not count the creature's square when counting distance.
If I may refer you to page 13 of the rulebook, "Distances and counting" boxout, second bullet point:
"... Don't count the acting creature's square. ..."
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