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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 9:14AM
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Another thought about the original thread... there's no honor among thieves. I'm sure that statement applies somehow.
Since the original character is not a thief, that statement is utterly irrelevant.
I see you didn't miss the irony.
A rogue with a bowl of slop can be a controller.
WIZARD PC: Can I substitute Celestial Roc Guano for my fireball spells?
DM: Awesome. Yes.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 9:28AM
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Another thought about the original thread... there's no honor among thieves.
Except when there is. The D&D thief codes being especially ironic.
Yep! I'm glad you caught that. 
A rogue with a bowl of slop can be a controller.
WIZARD PC: Can I substitute Celestial Roc Guano for my fireball spells?
DM: Awesome. Yes.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 5:00PM
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Heh, my DM fixed druids. They can't turn into anything bigger than large or tinier than small :P He has a serious think for house-rules... I'm curious how we'd do without them...
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 5:03PM
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Heh, my DM fixed druids. They can't turn into anything bigger than large or tinier than small :P He has a serious think for house-rules... I'm curious how we'd do without them...
That doesn't REMOTELY fix Druids.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 6:26PM
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Heh, my DM fixed druids. They can't turn into anything bigger than large or tinier than small :P He has a serious think for house-rules... I'm curious how we'd do without them...
That doesn't REMOTELY fix Druids.
Lol, I think this explains slot of the DM's issue. Ever watch Disneys Sword in the Stone? Or Mickey Mouse in Jack abd the Beanstalk? Clearly changing into anything tinier then small (the flue virus in Sword in the Stone, or a fly in the Beanstalk case) is broken. And the best the DM will accept for a "good" Rogue is Aladin from the Disney cartoon.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 7:18PM
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I still remember that one episode of Teen Titans where Beast Boy gave Trigon a massive headache by flying into his ear as a sparrow, then turning into a blue whale right in his ear canal. Fun times.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 6:12AM
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Okay, that one does make sense. I can see where BBEGs going down, because a druid flew in their ear and turned into a whale being problematic.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 6:09PM
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Okay, that one does make sense. I can see where BBEGs going down, because a druid flew in their ear and turned into a whale being problematic.
Which is moot since, by RAW, your transformation fails if the space you're in is too small to accommodate your new size. This was clarified with the release of the polymorph subschool and related errata.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 2:25PM
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Okay, it's time to bust out The Lord God Druid of CoDzilla fame and reeducate the DM on why Rogues are a perfectly fine class.
Do you want help building something that will look alright on paper but snap the game like a spindly little toothpick? Because I do have some system mastery of 3E, and God Druids are fun to make.
A little nerf like size limitations does NOTHING to God Druids. They are so much more powerful than any houserule can manage. Remember:
- They have an animal companion that is as effective as an on-level fighter until level 8 or so (it starts to fall off after that, but it's okay, you're God Druid)
- They have summons that can lock down the entire battlefield if they so choose
- They have spells. Good spells. Save or Suck. Save or Lose. No save, just lose (yes really).
- They can shapeshift. Lord god, they can shapeshift. Heaven help you! FLESHRAKER DINOSAURS IN THE HOUSE! Or just turn into a Bat with a natural 28 AC thanks to Natural Dragonscale Plate and raise the goddamn roof.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 24, 2012 - 2:58PM
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Okay, it's time to bust out The Lord God Druid of CoDzilla fame and reeducate the DM on why Rogues are a perfectly fine class.
Do you want help building something that will look alright on paper but snap the game like a spindly little toothpick? Because I do have some system mastery of 3E, and God Druids are fun to make.
A little nerf like size limitations does NOTHING to God Druids. They are so much more powerful than any houserule can manage. Remember:
- They have an animal companion that is as effective as an on-level fighter until level 8 or so (it starts to fall off after that, but it's okay, you're God Druid)
- They have summons that can lock down the entire battlefield if they so choose
- They have spells. Good spells. Save or Suck. Save or Lose. No save, just lose (yes really).
- They can shapeshift. Lord god, they can shapeshift. Heaven help you! FLESHRAKER DINOSAURS IN THE HOUSE! Or just turn into a Bat with a natural 28 AC thanks to Natural Dragonscale Plate and raise the goddamn roof.
Sounds like you're talking about HIGH LEVEL druids.
The animal companion isn't much more than a familiar. More combat-based, but still.. pretty much an animal.
To 'lock down the entire battlefield', the druid would have to be pretty high level. Which means the other characters should be high level as well.
Their summoned creatures are... summoned creatures. Read the books (most editions) to see just how many ways of rendering summoned creatures inert there are.
Spells? Wizards don't have spells? Clerics? Bards? Paladins? Sorcerers? Rangers? Other classes have spells. If they don't have 'good' spells they have feats and other abilities to make up for them. Use those.
Shapeshift? Fleshrakers are what size? How high level does a druid have to be to turn into one? Pretty high, I assume. You mean roughly the level that a fighter would have to be to also have a 28 AC? Except the fighter would hit the AC 28 on a 5 or so... and again... and again... or grapple/pin/coup-de-grace the creature with superior awesome only fighter feats.
Or the wizard could ray of enfeeblement and quicken ray of enfeeblement the dinosaur with a contingency spell in place for fireshield (or some such) to take effect if rays of enfeeblement shoot out his eyeballs or what-have-you.
A rogue with a bowl of slop can be a controller.
WIZARD PC: Can I substitute Celestial Roc Guano for my fireball spells?
DM: Awesome. Yes.
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