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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:03PM
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SNEAKY ATTACK says that if you use your Elven Accuracy to reroll an attack against an enemy granting you combat advantage and your second roll missess, you do not expend Elven Accuracy.
One of my friends (and player) thinks that since it is a free action, he can use the power repeatedly in the same turn until he hits the enemy.
In my opinion, (DM) it means that you consider the power not expended for that turn and that you can use it again and again in your next turns until you hit
Am I wrong?
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:19PM
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the rules state that you can take any number of free actions per turn with the only limit being free action attacks. Elven accuracy is not an attack. However the rules also state that the DM has the freedom to limit how many free actions a player can take during a turn.
With all that being said the player is obviously trying to abuse a power / feat combination to ensure that a power of his choice hits no matter what. Since according to him he can just keep rolling over and over until he hits. Point out to him that this is an obvious attempt to abuse the combination. Allow him to do it once, to see how cool his found (yet not allowed abuse) trick is and then say that you're ruling that he can only use elven accuracy once per power. that's a good compromise. So he misses with power A, uses elven accuracy and misses again, elven accuracy is not expended, he uses power b, misses with power b, uses elven accuracy again (because he's using a different power) and gets a hit. that works. His current interpretation, however, does not.
if he keeps debating it, send him our way, he can try to argue it with us and see how far he gets.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:20PM
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He can't use it again to affect the same attack, but he doesn't have to wait until his next turn, just the next time he makes an attack (which could happen on the same turn or between turns).
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:25PM
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No, you can't repeatedly use it on the same attack.
By the time you figure out the power isn't expended, the trigger for using the power has come and gone.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:47PM
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No, you can't repeatedly use it on the same attack.
By the time you figure out the power isn't expended, the trigger for using the power has come and gone.
He isn't using it on the same attack roll though. He is using it (again) on the rerolled attack roll Elven Accuracy made that still missed.
Also Elven Accuracy doesn't have a trigger, so it isn't bothered by pesky things like timing rules.
So, RAW, yes, he can keep rerolling till he hits.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 2:50PM
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Elf Racial PowerElven AccuracyWith an instant of focus, you take careful aim at your foe and strike with the legendary accuracy of the elves. Encounter
Free Action Personal Trigger: You make an attack roll and dislike the result. Effect: Reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower. So, is this just another Compendium error? It lists it both in PHB and in HotFL. If the HotFL one is of this form, then the PHB one is out of date. I don't have a hardcopy on hand.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 3:05PM
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as far as I know elven accuracy is a triggered free action, like it says on the printing mand gave.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 3:14PM
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Huh, I guess they added a trigger line in HotFL. Point still stands though, when you reroll the attack roll and it misses, you've "made an attack roll and disliked the result." The trigger happened again, so you can use the power again.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 3:27PM
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i think the argument for this not working is twofold:
The one I advanced was that even though yes there's no limit set in stone for how many free actions you can use per turn, the DM has the right to say that you can't based on the rules stating a DM can limit the amount of free actions a player can use per turn.
The other being that when you figure out that your elven accuracy has also missed and it is the considered not expended you're passed the trigger you could declare is available to trigger the power again. Since if we look at stack of events, the attack is missed with EA, you trigger the feat which enables you not to expend the power, the trigger of missing is passed. You can't say that you use a triggered action based on missing when it is no longer the current event in the chain. That's like saying you can trigger a power that runs off hitting when you're at the damage phase.
At least this is my current understanding, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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10 months ago ::
Sep 18, 2012 - 3:46PM
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RAW Sneaky Accuracy allow Elven Accuracy to be triggered over and over since it let you reroll an attack roll (provided you dislike it  ) and will be expended only whe you'll hit. Trigger: You make an attack roll and dislike the result.
Effect: Reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower.
Trigger: You make an attack roll and dislike the result.
Effect: Reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower.
Trigger: You make an attack roll and dislike the result.
Effect: Reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower.
Trigger: You make an attack roll and dislike the result.
Effect: Reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower.
And so on until the attack roll hit...
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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