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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 3:34AM
#41
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Compendium reports: Sneaky AccuracyHeroic Tier
Prerequisite: Elf, rogue, Sneak Attack class feature
Benefit: If you use your elven accuracy racial power to reroll an attack against an enemy granting you combat advantage and the second roll misses, you do not expend elven accuracy. I think it's enough to say that the power text should be rewritten.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:13PM
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On the topic of Sneaky Accuracy, I had related question.
Say you had an elf avenger MC rogue (with sneaky accuracy) attack his OoE target. He attacks with Overwhelming Strike. Assuming his OoE target is the only adjacent enemy he can roll twice due to Oath of Enmity. Say neither of the attack rolls hits so he uses elven accuracy. He rerolls both rolls and he misses the second roll on one reroll but hits with the other, which he selects.
Does sneaky accuracy allow him to not expend elven accuracy, since he missed with a second roll granted from elven accuracy?
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:19PM
#43
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The second roll didn't miss, because you didn't pick it.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:26PM
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The second roll didn't miss, because you didn't pick it.
Another interpretation. The second reroll missed but you hit the target.
Sneaky Accuracy doesn't necessarily depend on hitting the target or not. Just depends on whether "second roll misses."
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:30PM
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The second roll didn't miss, because you didn't pick it.
Another interpretation. The second reroll missed but you hit the target.
Sneaky Accuracy doesn't necessarily depend on hitting the target or not. Just depends on whether "second roll misses."
If by "interpretation" you mean "ignoring the rules" then sure.
You didn't pick the second roll, so the second roll never got to stop 4 of the attack process to determine hit/miss/crit. It would have missed if you'd picked it, but you didn't, and it never got compared to a defense.
So, again, the second roll didn't miss, because you didn't pick it.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:35PM
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You ignore the roll that you don't pick its not a miss. Otherwise Oath of Emnity would cause attacks to both count as hit and miss.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:41PM
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If by "interpretation" you mean "ignoring the rules" then sure.
You didn't pick the second roll, so the second roll never got to stop 4 of the attack process to determine hit/miss/crit. It would have missed if you'd picked it, but you didn't, and it never got compared to a defense.
So, again, the second roll didn't miss, because you didn't pick it.
Thumbing through the RC...
I thought Elven Accuracy, Wand of Accuracy (believe there is an FAQ to that effect) specifically allow you to use the elven accuracy action as an interrupt. E.g. you do go to step 4 and see whether or not you hit, and "Compare the attack roll to the target's defense." Then if you don't like the result you can use Elven Accuracy or Wand of Accuracy to reroll.
EDIT: Found the PHB FAQ...
"Can I wait until the Dungeon Master has determined if I have hit or not to use my Wand of Accuracy class feature?
Yes, you can use this ability at any point during the resolution of the power."
EDIT 2:
Oath of Enmity Effect (relevant portion):"When you make a melee attack against the target and the target is the only enemy adjacent to you, you make two attack rolls and use either result... If an effect lets you reroll an attack roll and you rolled twice because of this power, you reroll both dice."
So Oath of enmity lets you make two attack rolls and use either result. Elven Accuracy then lets you "reroll the attack roll. Use the second roll, even if it’s lower." Twice. As a free action 'interrupt' both die rolls can be compared to the defenses of the target (Step 4). But then you still need to "use either result" (per OoE).
In the scenario I posited, one reroll from Elven Accuracy missed, and the other hit. Based on that verbage, it appears you wouldn't expend elven accuracy due to the Sneaky Accuracy feat.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 5:59PM
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Basically when attacking your Oath of Emnity you'd roll - see if you hit or miss, roll - see if you hit or miss, then select one of the attack roll that you dislike, use Elven Accuracy and then roll - see if you hit or miss, roll - see if you hit or miss and select one of the attack roll.
But only the selected attack roll is the one that would count for the purposes of determining if you actually hit or missed the target though.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 6:02PM
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See above post. Oath of Enmity specifically grants rerolls to both attacks rolls.
Looks like you covered that scenario. The question is really whether the target needs to be missed or not.
Or whether a 'missed reroll' is sufficient to trigger Sneaky Accuracy.
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8 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 6:03PM
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Wand of Accuracy changes an attack roll. OoE forces you to pick between two attack rolls and apply one. These are not the same thing.
OoE does what it says it does. You get to roll two dice and pick one. One, singular. The unpicked die does exactly nothing.
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