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Sep 17, 2012 -- 10:56PM, CarlT wrote:

And even if the packets are balanced relative to each other in abstract - the possibility exists for combinations from different classes to be broken even if they aren't in the context of the original classes limitations (as an analogy - the way a spell that immobilizes and a spell that poisons might be OK on their own - but become broken when combined).

Carl

Can you point out any examples in the play test packet?

Sep 17, 2012 -- 11:14PM, rampant wrote:

I direct your attention to level 2.

Not enough packets.

Then to level 3, if the fighter didn't pick up the 1d6 die why can he get the 1d8 die now?

You need to come up with a much more controlled progression for a hybrid class, especially in the matter of HP where your system allows the player to freely pick the larger dice of the two at no cost.

My advice is to focus on creating such limited core progressions then worry about allowing for customization and mix and match.

For example the HP, instead of letting them freely snag the superior fighter hp, I'd force them to use the average so 7 + con mod at level 1, and then 5+ every even level and 6+ every odd.

Then instead of giving them the options to mix and match to their demented desire I'd inflict certain things as minimums/mods.

So for example the fighter gives all simple weapons, shields, and light armor, plus one chosen martial weapon. While the wiz offers only the staff and the dagger, but nuke your armor prof one level  or something. 

Yes, but what happens when you take the first 3 levels as fighter and then want to multiclass into Wizard? Do you suddenly lose your weapon proficiencies and armor proficiencies?

I'm with you on the average hit point thing, but we need this system to cover level 1 multiclassing as well as PrC multiclassing and even higher level multiclassing where you throw a class on at later levels.

Maybe you have certain packages you can only get at 1st level like armor and weapon proficiencies, you get average hit points between all classes that you multiclass into, then you have certain balanced packages you pick from at each level.

One of the things we want to prevent is the whole 10th level fighter with worthless level 1 spells when they multiclass into Wizard. This is why I suggested they only get the feature of that given level so the 10th level fighter that multiclasses into Wizard gets one spell slot for a 5th level spell...