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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:01PM #21
CarlT
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:47PM, thewok wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Resurrection_Man wrote:

So the guy who is completly invisible is easier to see than that half-orc hidding behind his finger? Lame.



Invisibility won't stop you from casting a shadow, making noise and so on.  A stealthy person, while not invisible, will know how to avoid giving his position away.

I'd like to see Invisibility give a bonus to Stealth checks.  That way people who are invisible can still be invisible (but detectable), but people who are invisible and stealthy are pretty impossible to find.




Invisibility ought to give advantage on stealth checks.


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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:02PM #22
Mand12
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:47PM, thewok wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Resurrection_Man wrote:

So the guy who is completly invisible is easier to see than that half-orc hidding behind his finger? Lame.



Invisibility won't stop you from casting a shadow



You do know how shadows work, right?

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:03PM #23
Salla
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Why would an invisible creature cast a shadow?  Shadows are caused when light can't pass through an opaque object.  An invisible creature is essentially transparent.

I know D&D is pretty loose when it comes to physics, but come on.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:05PM #24
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:02PM, Mand12 wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:47PM, thewok wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Resurrection_Man wrote:

So the guy who is completly invisible is easier to see than that half-orc hidding behind his finger? Lame.



Invisibility won't stop you from casting a shadow



You do know how shadows work, right?


Yes, but do you know how invisiblity works?

Does it make you transparent, or does it show whats behind you to the viewer?

I believe there are other ways for invisiblity to work.

Invisibly could be a pyschological force, causing the person who is looking directly at you to be unable to see you. But they can see the effects around you.

It can be casting what is "behind to the front" and visa versa.

It can be slowing down the light in your area so that light doesn't escape your space creating a void.

It can turn all your cells transparent.

How invisiblity works will determine what can or cannot be detected. 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:07PM #25
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:03PM, Salla wrote:

Why would an invisible creature cast a shadow?  Shadows are caused when light can't pass through an opaque object.  An invisible creature is essentially transparent.

I know D&D is pretty loose when it comes to physics, but come on.




Bilbo did......



(The real question is :  Is it a physical effect, or a mental one?  )


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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:09PM #26
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:05PM, Daganev wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:02PM, Mand12 wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:47PM, thewok wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Resurrection_Man wrote:

So the guy who is completly invisible is easier to see than that half-orc hidding behind his finger? Lame.



Invisibility won't stop you from casting a shadow



You do know how shadows work, right?


Yes, but do you know how invisiblity works?

Does it make you transparent, or does it show whats behind you to the viewer?

I believe there are other ways for invisiblity to work.

Invisibly could be a pyschological force, causing the person who is looking directly at you to be unable to see you. But they can see the effects around you.

It can be casting what is "behind to the front" and visa versa.

It can be slowing down the light in your area so that light doesn't escape your space creating a void.

It can turn all your cells transparent.

How invisiblity works will determine what can or cannot be detected. 




"invisible" means you can't see it.  If you can't see it, then you must see whatever's behind it.

Anything other than transparency means you can be seen.  Because that's how light works.  Even if you create the 'void' you describe, then it just makes you look like a black silhouette. 

Invisibility = transparency.  Nothing else, ever.

Now, if you really want to get nitpicky, we can discuss the fact that if you truly were invisible you'd also wouldn't be able to see anything yourself (otherwise your eyes would be visible).

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:12PM #27
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:09PM, Mand12 wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:05PM, Daganev wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:02PM, Mand12 wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:47PM, thewok wrote:

Sep 13, 2012 -- 1:40PM, Resurrection_Man wrote:

So the guy who is completly invisible is easier to see than that half-orc hidding behind his finger? Lame.



Invisibility won't stop you from casting a shadow



You do know how shadows work, right?


Yes, but do you know how invisiblity works?

Does it make you transparent, or does it show whats behind you to the viewer?

I believe there are other ways for invisiblity to work.

Invisibly could be a pyschological force, causing the person who is looking directly at you to be unable to see you. But they can see the effects around you.

It can be casting what is "behind to the front" and visa versa.

It can be slowing down the light in your area so that light doesn't escape your space creating a void.

It can turn all your cells transparent.

How invisiblity works will determine what can or cannot be detected. 




"invisible" means you can't see it.  If you can't see it, then you must see whatever's behind it.

Anything other than transparency means you can be seen.  Because that's how light works.  Even if you create the 'void' you describe, then it just makes you look like a black silhouette. 

Invisibility = transparency.  Nothing else, ever.


I and all the sci-fi/fanatasy books I've ever read, respectfully dissagree.

I don't think I've ever seen 5 books deal with invisiblity the same way. 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:13PM #28
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They're wrong, that's not how light works.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:15PM #29
Daganev
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:13PM, Mand12 wrote:

They're wrong, that's not how light works.


Your wrong, that is how light works.

If I show you exactly what is behind me, you will not see me, but I will cast shadows.  

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIGzpi9lCck 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2012 - 2:15PM #30
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In D&D, invisibility works exactly the way the DM says it works.  Light either has nothing or everything to do with it. 
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