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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:26PM
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Leap Attack from Complete Adventurer allows you to triple Power Attack bonus damage while wielding a two-handed weapon. But Power Attack states that you deal double the bonus damage while wielding a two-handed weapon. So could you deal double damage, but then triple THAT damage using Leap Attack? So you're actually dealing six times the bonus damage from Power Attack?
Or does the Leap Attack multiplier override the normal Power Attack multiplier for wielding a two-handed weapon?
Oh, and another kind of unrelated question: can you use Leap Attack at the same time as the Heedless Charge maneuver gained from taking the Shock Trooper feat from Complete Warrior? So you use a Leap Attack but apply the penalty from Power Attack to your AC instead of attack bonus.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:32PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 27, 2012
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the leap attack ratio superceades that of power attack, but yes, you can use the heeadless charge manuver from the shock trooper feat well leap attacking.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:34PM
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That's some bad news and some good news. May I ask how you determined that the Leap Attack bonus takes the place of the normal Power Attack bonus?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:45PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 24, 2005
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That ability has been subject to some errata. Now, you deal +100% of the normal bonus damage from power attack. So, you can get 4-to-1 returns from a two-handed weapon. You can actually manage 6-to-1 returns with the supreme power attack ability of the frenzied berserker prestige class (Complete Warrior), which has also been subject to errata.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:48PM
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We don't really use errata in our games since it's too much work to keep up with the updates. But are you saying the effects do stack?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 9:58PM
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Feb 27, 2012
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Think of leap attack as a tactical feat like shoock trooper, it's an advancment of the power attack feat that can only be used in a certain cercumstance. Also note the wording of the feat, it reads "...you can double the extra damage delt by use of the power attack feat. If you use this tactic with a two handed weapon, you insted triple the damage from power attack...", whihc also showes it's ment to advance thee capacitys of power attack, not stack with them.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 10:09PM
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I suppose you're right. I think technically the wording allows for x6, but I'm really just being nitpicky. I do realize they MEANT for the x3 to replace the normal x2 for wielding a two-handed weapon. I'll just run the loophole by my DM. But, just for fun, here's the damage I WOULD do if I used the loophole and also used Headlong Rush, and my 3d6 damage magic longsword:
((3d6 + 8) + 42) x 2 = (3d6) x 2 + 100 damage!!
My DM would kill me.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 10:09PM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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We don't really use errata in our games since it's too much work to keep up with the updates. But are you saying the effects do stack?
That's probably one of the weirdest house rules I've ever heard. Probably tops "We ban ToB" or even "We ban Monks".
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 10:14PM
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Really? I should talk to our DM about it. The thing is most of our players are very new and we don't even all have books of our own, so we just don't bother adding more complication by going online to look up all the updates. For the record, though, our DM banned druids, so we do have weird house rules.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 03, 2012 - 10:49PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 25, 2005
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Actually, banning Druids kinda makes sense.
If you're power attacking with Leap Attack, they DO stack, but not in the way think. "x2", in D&D terms, just means "+100% of base damage". Of course, "base damage" refers to your weapon's base damage + anything that gives a flat bonus. So, like Maat said, you would deal 4x your danage, not 3 or 6.
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