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Sep 7, 2012 -- 3:55PM, Qmark wrote:

Would it really hurt anything?
The difference between 5d6 and 5d6+4 seems fairly insignifcant.

With an AoE the difference would be very significant with total damage dealt.  The spells that state to make a magical attack are single target spells.  The spells that simply apply area damage don't have the magical attack and already have larger damage dice.

5d6 averages 17.5 damage already and hits multiple targets.  Being able to hit 6 targets is already 105 total damage on average that comes out fast and the number of 5' squares a 20' radius fireball touches can easily go beyond 6 targets.  105 is already pretty good damage and 129 is a pretty big increases on that.

I don't see a lot of abilities giving a +24 bonus to damage on top of the 30d6 already done, even if it is spread out.

Sep 7, 2012 -- 9:31PM, Ashrym wrote:

Sep 7, 2012 -- 8:48PM, AlmightyK wrote:

Sep 6, 2012 -- 11:11PM, Ashrym wrote:

I think the idea was to add INT to damage roll that required a hit roll and not to attacks that simply applied AoE damage without the hit roll, although this risks a smal bit of extra complication.  I suspect the next playtest packet will clarify.

and have you noticed that mainly single target spells apply a bonus to damage, and most aoe/multi target spells dont

I notice all kinds of things, including the fact that some single target spells have bonuses to damage.  Who's to say that isn't meant to work with stat bonus to damage if not WotC?  Hence I suspect we'll get clarification on what is intended with the next playtest package.

Unless you have some other point?

i was just pointing out about bonuses going to single target and not to AoE
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emphasising your point

Sep 7, 2012 -- 8:10PM, thestoryteller wrote:

Sep 7, 2012 -- 3:55PM, Qmark wrote:

Would it really hurt anything?
The difference between 5d6 and 5d6+4 seems fairly insignificant.

But the differences between 1d6+3 and 1d6+7, 1d4+1 and 1d4+5, and even 4d4 and 4d4+4 are much more significant.

In the case of Magic Missile, for example, it nearly triples the damage.  That's a big deal.

Based on the text it seems to only apply to spells with an attack roll, which rules out AoE and Magic Missile.  For the most part this applies to at-will spells and a hand full of single target spells.

I like it because it keeps low level casters effective and reduces grinding when spamming at-wills, which is a near constant occurrence at low levels, but its usefulness on daily's is pretty limited.  The more daily's used, the less impact it has, making it a good low level bump that is eventually replaced by dailies.

Sep 9, 2012 -- 6:52AM, Arius wrote:

Sep 7, 2012 -- 8:10PM, thestoryteller wrote:

Sep 7, 2012 -- 3:55PM, Qmark wrote:

Would it really hurt anything?
The difference between 5d6 and 5d6+4 seems fairly insignificant.

But the differences between 1d6+3 and 1d6+7, 1d4+1 and 1d4+5, and even 4d4 and 4d4+4 are much more significant.

In the case of Magic Missile, for example, it nearly triples the damage.  That's a big deal.

Based on the text it seems to only apply to spells with an attack roll, which rules out AoE and Magic Missile.  For the most part this applies to at-will spells and a hand full of single target spells.

I like it because it keeps low level casters effective and reduces grinding when spamming at-wills, which is a near constant occurrence at low levels, but its usefulness on daily's is pretty limited.  The more daily's used, the less impact it has, making it a good low level bump that is eventually replaced by dailies.

This. The RAW state that you add the modifier you use to make the attack. So if the spell includes an attack roll, you would add your int modifier to the damage.

...add any damage modifiers (Including the ability modifier you used to make the attack).