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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 2:00PM
#51
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Given the lack of mechanical "oomph" to the power, I would assume that the existance of an Attack line is the mistake, and it should simply be an applied effect, until errata'd otherwise.
YMMV with any given DM.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 2:00PM
#52
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if it has an effect line, then shouldn't the effect work hit or miss?
Yup. Which makes the whole "attack roll" part pretty meaningless.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 3:27PM
#53
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Except if the intention was to allow it to trigger certain 'on hit' effects. Beguiling Enchantment comes to mind, as does Glasya's Charming Words.
I would prefer that it was a close burst 5, 1 target power though because then it would be useful for melee type characters.
The image of a fighter getting right up in a spell caster's face, using Babble and provoking just doesn't seem correct. But the fighter would mark them, so meh.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 3:59PM
#54
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Could also tack a prone onto a slow/immobilize with World Serpant's Grasp.
This would actually be a really good theme for my enchanter, if the fluff wasn't the exact opposite of my character.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 7:25PM
#55
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Cipher:
lvl 1: Good for slower PC's to get into position.
lvl 5: normal
lvl 10: Useless to most PC's, but for those who generate action points (avenging spirit, battlefield archer), there's not many way's to spend the excess before warmaster 30.
2: While a free save againt end of next turn effects is good. It's a reaction, thus can't be used on daze/dominate/stun. It also might not be useful for several battles.
6: Minor benifit, but it's somewhat easy to maintain.
10: Font of life for an encounter.
lvl 1: Nova-strikers everywhere jump for joy at a terrific new way to action economy.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 7:37PM
#56
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The cipher feature is also instant win against encounter-start killboxes.
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:05PM
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Sep 17, 2007
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Cipher:
lvl 1: Good for slower PC's to get into position.
lvl 5: normal
lvl 10: Useless to most PC's, but for those who generate action points (avenging spirit, battlefield archer), there's not many way's to spend the excess before warmaster 30.
2: While a free save againt end of next turn effects is good. It's a reaction, thus can't be used on daze/dominate/stun. It also might not be useful for several battles.
6: Minor benifit, but it's somewhat easy to maintain.
10: Font of life for an encounter.
lvl 1: Nova-strikers everywhere jump for joy at a terrific new way to action economy.
No nova striker is gonna give up a reroll from Ironwrought, a minor action attack from Sohei, or the d10 from the Lycans. Let's not get crazy here.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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9 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:17PM
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I think the point is that the movement lets you drop two minors on t1.
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Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima
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9 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 1:30AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2007
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My point is that, outside of a vacuum, dropping two minors on Round 1 is...actually not as good as adding, say 8d10 to your full sequence. And in some cases you want to use a move action anyways, such as when popping Five Stars Five Strikes.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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9 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 5:47AM
#60
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Cipher:
lvl 1: Good for slower PC's to get into position.
lvl 5: normal
lvl 10: Useless to most PC's, but for those who generate action points (avenging spirit, battlefield archer), there's not many way's to spend the excess before warmaster 30.
2: While a free save againt end of next turn effects is good. It's a reaction, thus can't be used on daze/dominate/stun. It also might not be useful for several battles.
6: Minor benifit, but it's somewhat easy to maintain.
10: Font of life for an encounter.
lvl 1: Nova-strikers everywhere jump for joy at a terrific new way to action economy.
Don't nova-strikers usually go first?
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