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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 8:42AM #1
Astromath
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Has anybody created a puppeteer as a race? a creature? for 4e?
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 10:03AM #2
CorranHornIsAwesome
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Aug 24, 2012 -- 8:42AM, Astromath wrote:

Has anybody created a puppeteer as a race? a creature? for 4e?


I play in a campaign where one of the players reflavored the fey beast tamer theme and pxie race so his spirit was cursed and forced ro reside in a tiny doll body. They control their former body psychically. That's about as close as I've seen though.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 5:56AM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

We summoned a devil once.  All we used was the D&D books, too.  It was pretty kwazy.


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May 21, 2013 -- 2:04PM, awaken_D_M_golem wrote:

Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle
going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?




Dec 26, 2012 -- 8:51AM, mellored wrote:

Dec 25, 2012 -- 2:37PM, Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote:

Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.

I'd take coal.  Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.

Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.



May 10, 2013 -- 4:33PM, YagamiFire wrote:

May 10, 2013 -- 3:34PM, CorranHornIsAwesome wrote:

"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...



Whaaaaaat?!??

Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.

Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!



(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)


First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!


"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
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-Seven of Nine

Sep 6, 2012 -- 8:29PM, richterbelmont10 wrote:


"Excellent."

-Mr. Burns.


Apr 24, 2013 -- 6:01PM, Hipster_Dog wrote:



Whey is a crotch.




Sep 15, 2008 -- 1:23PM, d20_radio wrote:

Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.






Feb 11, 2013 -- 1:09PM, ChainmailJedi wrote:


There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.



Sep 22, 2012 -- 3:05PM, TheOneWhoCallCrow wrote:

1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit

I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 11:27AM #3
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This is a puppeteer:

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 4:08PM #4
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Aug 24, 2012 -- 11:27AM, Astromath wrote:

This is a puppeteer:


Ok, so it's a D&D specific creature, sorry.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 5:56AM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

We summoned a devil once.  All we used was the D&D books, too.  It was pretty kwazy.


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May 21, 2013 -- 2:04PM, awaken_D_M_golem wrote:

Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle
going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?




Dec 26, 2012 -- 8:51AM, mellored wrote:

Dec 25, 2012 -- 2:37PM, Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote:

Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.

I'd take coal.  Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.

Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.



May 10, 2013 -- 4:33PM, YagamiFire wrote:

May 10, 2013 -- 3:34PM, CorranHornIsAwesome wrote:

"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...



Whaaaaaat?!??

Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.

Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!



(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)


First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!


"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine

Sep 6, 2012 -- 8:29PM, richterbelmont10 wrote:


"Excellent."

-Mr. Burns.


Apr 24, 2013 -- 6:01PM, Hipster_Dog wrote:



Whey is a crotch.




Sep 15, 2008 -- 1:23PM, d20_radio wrote:

Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.






Feb 11, 2013 -- 1:09PM, ChainmailJedi wrote:


There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.



Sep 22, 2012 -- 3:05PM, TheOneWhoCallCrow wrote:

1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit

I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 8:55PM #5
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Actually is is a Ringworld specific creature from Larry Niven's Ringworld universe.  It is intelligent, but puppeteer adventurers and those leave their homeworld for any reason are insane in some form.  They have a high intelligence.  Put into D&D terms, they would make the best artificers.  I can't quite codify what else for a puppeteer PC or even NPC.  They can kick like a horse but only in extreme circumstances.  The are devout cowards.  They generally don't use weapons and if they do the weapon cannot be larger than a dagger.  They can't use ranged weapons at all (at least ranged D&D weapons).  They don't wear clothing so armor is out of the question.  They come in three genders:  female breeder, female incubator, and male.  Just as the names imply, the female breeder and male implant the female incubator with the egg and the sperm.  (Actually, breeder and incubator are terms I made up.  They're not the real terms which I do not remember.)

Any other info, you will need to go to a site that has more on them.  There's a Ringworld RPG that has specifics, but I can't seem to make a decent conversion from that to D&D. 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 24, 2012 - 9:42PM #6
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Problem with is that 4e artificers have alot of nice weapon powers. You can use their powers with a dagger, though very small damage dice isnt a good start for "best artificers".


I suppose maybe like Int with Wis/Con

+2 Arcana, +2...stealth? (cowardlyness) maybe perception to look out for danger (and having two heads)

If you want the weapon fluff, I'd say they wield weapons like a small race does. Armour definitely still needs to be in, even if you describe it as being minimal.

Genders arent a mechanical concern.


Maybe their racial encounter power is an immediate reaction shift to an enemy moving adjacent to represent the coward aspect. 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2012 - 8:04PM #7
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The problem with weapons is that they have to use their mouths to hold the weapon.  anything larger than a dagger would be extremely awkward for them.  Putting on and taking off armor is a similar problem.  Again they would need to use their mouths.  The only type of armor they could possibly wear would be cloth.  Anything heavier, they would need help to get it on or off.  As a general race feature, they go naked.  In fact, only the puppeteer king wears any type of clothing at all and that is a series of metal plates (looks like metal plates in the images I can find) along the length of his spine and, even then, they are for decoration more than for protection.

They would definitely get all-round vision.

I like the idea of the IR shift, but I probably would make it an immediate interupt instead.

The arcana/stealth definitely could work.

Int (definitely) with Wis (not sure, they don't seem to have a lot of common sense)/Con (possibly)

If you showed a normal puppeteer aggression, one of three things could happen.  First, they would try to run, second, if they can't run, they curl up into a fetal position and hope you go away, third, die of shock.  Generally, the third item is reserved for when a member of their race shows aggression.

An insane puppeteer (PC or a lone NPC) would do one of two things:  run, or attack.  They generally attack by making sure their back is to the enemy and kicking out like a horse.  Apparantly, their kicks are strong enough to break the enemy's spine by kicking through their rib cage.  If one kick doesn't do it, then they would definitely run.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2012 - 11:08PM #8
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Maybe speed 7.


But I'm kind of wondering how this race makes good artificers, how can you build stuff if you can only utilize tools with your mouths?   Implements dont seemto be an issue though.


Either way the race might have to break a few of the "don'ts" of 4e race design, perhaps giving them a natural weapon of a kick (1d10, +2 prof) so they arent as screwed with weapon classes.   


  
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 26, 2012 - 6:50PM #9
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I think they would make great artificers because in the Ringworld timeline they managed to turn their whole planet into a spaceship to escape the black hole at the galaxy's core.  They are a very technical race.

Here's the link to the wikipedia article:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson%27s_Puppet... 
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 26, 2012 - 10:09PM #10
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I think they should be able to wield weapon with their mouths then, I dont see any other description in the Wiki on how they managed to build all their stuff with only mouths to work with, so their mouths (which do look kinda odd) must be manipulatable in such a way that they can work on fine equipment.


Adventurer ones are already crazy anyway. And it may look silly, but then again its a creature 3 legs and 2 heads.  
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