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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:23PM
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Im rereading the 4e Monster Manual now. The Dragon entry says NOTHING about “innate” arcane magic. There is none.
That has what to do with Dragonborn exactly? But, let's talk about dragons.
A dragon's heart is the source of its dragon's power. This huge, four-chambered organ pumps strongly enough to send blood flowing throughout the enormous beast. legend has it that if a dragon's heart could be filled with enough granite, the strength of the heart's constriction would crush the stone to powder.
The heart also generates the elemental energy that grants chromatic dragons their breath weapons and other powers. It is a dragon's most magical aspect. Without the mystical energy distributed by their hearts, dragons might be merely intelligent lizards. This energy suffuses the entire body through the blood. For parts of the body that require more focused power, the fundamentum is a more direct conduit.
A dragon's blood is somewhat thinner than human blood and is darker, appearing black in dim lighting. The blood's temperature depends on the variety of dragon. Red dragon blood gives off steam, white dragon blood is barely above freezing, and so forth.
Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons, pp. 9-10
Metallics have the same basic anatomy and functionality as chromatics.
It should be noted that the breath weapon is not a spell. It is magical, but not really a spell. The blood is pumped through the fundamentum into the dragon's stomach, where it "vomits" the energy up. So, yes, dragons are like flies. They like to puke on their food before they eat it.
Anyway, raw elemental energy is infused throughout the dragon's body. That fuels all its powers. So, it has innate power. It has to learn how to channel that power into usable effects.
The sorcerer is born with innate power, and he has to learn how to channel that power into usable effects. That's where the "arcane" comes in. Only instead of using precise formulae and movements like a wizard, the sorcerer plays it by ear, learning through unguided practice.
edit: fixed some spelling issues.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:27PM
#52
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My first introduction to the Dragonborn was in the same 3.5 book that had the option to play a half-dragon. Their origin in both 3.5 and 4e essentialy was that they where created by Bahamut, because he is a god and he felt like it. (In 3.5 the race was called Dragonborn of Bahamut.)
They weren't descende from dragons, but rather were created by a god, who happened to have been one at some point.
Indeed.
Players Handbook Races: Dragonborn has three creation myths for the dragonborn, none of which have dragonborn as a descendant of dragons. Only, in 4E, they were created by Io instead of Bahamut.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:28PM
#53
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Did it say, Arcane magic? Or Divine magic from Io? Or even Psionic magic.
More and more, the Dragon seems Psionic. Fear. Mythologically, terror, seduction, deception, the wisdom of the serpent, and so on. These are mental effects.
Even magical breath weapon energy can be an aspect of Psionic pyrokinesis, and other telekinetic effects.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:32PM
#54
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Did it say, Arcane magic? Or Divine magic from Io? Or even Psionic magic.
More and more, the Dragon seems Psionic. Fear. Mythologically, terror, seduction, deception, the wisdom of the serpent, and so on. These are mental effects.
Even magical breath weapon energy can be an aspect of Psionic pyrokinesis, and other telekinetic effects.
oh give it up, even the source material is against you.
"It is a dragon's most magical aspect. Without the mystical energy distributed by their hearts, dragons might be merely intelligent lizards."
Mystical, not psionic.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:33PM
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“Mystical” energy, proves it isnt Arcane.
There is no connection between Arcane and Dragon whatsoever.
At best, the dragon breath is a “spell-like ability”. And Psionic is a “spell-like ability” too.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:35PM
#56
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Apr 21, 2011
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“Mystical” energy, proves it isnt Arcane.
There is no connection between Arcane and Dragon whatsoever.
then why don't you go and write a letter to mike
i'm sure he will be very thankful that your wealth of specific knowledge of an imaginary power that doesn't exist saved him the embarrasment of being wrong about said non existant imaginary force.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:38PM
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Anybody can understand logic.
The Sorcerer has no reason to exist.
Its spells belong to the Wizard class.
Its innate magic belongs to the Psion class.
Its very name “sorcery” means to rely on external demons for magic effects, belonging to the Warlock class.
Its Dragon heritage has nothing to do with Arcane magic whatsoever.
The Sorcerer is a lie.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:41PM
#58
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Anybody can understand logic.
The Sorcerer has no reason to exist.
Its spells belong to the Wizard class.
Its innate magic belongs to the Psion class.
Its very name “sorcery” means to rely on external demons for magic effects, belonging to the Warlock class.
Its Dragon heritage has nothing to do with Arcane magic whatsoever.
The Sorcerer is a lie.
very good, you can have a cookie.
now, the rest of us are going to go and you know, have fun, while you sit in the corner and fret about the specific made up differences in imaginary systems of a non existant force. I'm sure it's very important work.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:41PM
#59
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Date Joined:
Oct 11, 2011
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Anybody can understand logic.
The Sorcerer has no reason to exist.
Its spells belong to the Wizard class.
Its innate magic belongs to the Psion class.
Its very name “sorcery” means to rely on external demons for magic effects, belonging to the Warlock class.
Its Dragon heritage has nothing to do with Arcane magic whatsoever.
The Sorcerer is a lie.
Yep and it is a lie that my entire group loves. So I'm cool with it, very impressed with the fluff attached and can't wait for more heritages to come out!
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11 months ago ::
Aug 24, 2012 - 7:42PM
#60
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Date Joined:
Apr 21, 2011
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Anybody can understand logic.
The Sorcerer has no reason to exist.
Its spells belong to the Wizard class.
Its innate magic belongs to the Psion class.
Its very name “sorcery” means to rely on external demons for magic effects, belonging to the Warlock class.
Its Dragon heritage has nothing to do with Arcane magic whatsoever.
The Sorcerer is a lie.
Yep and it is a lie that my entire group loves. So I'm cool with it, very impressed with the fluff attached and can't wait for more heritages to come out!
"b- b- but, you can't like it, it's wrong don't you know?!"
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