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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 6:39PM
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Ok so i've been hearing form ppl saying the d&d 4th edition has little or no roleplaying, while others say it does, it just depends on the group on how invlolved in roleplaying they get. So my question to you is: Do you believe there is roleplaying left in 4th edition? And a explination as to why you believe tht.
For me I believe there is, i've played threw some compaings as the DM and had no problem with the Roleplaying aspect, i believe it does depend on the group you play with.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 6:49PM
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Ok so i've been hearing form ppl saying the d&d 4th edition has little or no roleplaying, while others say it does, it just depends on the group on how invlolved in roleplaying they get. So my question to you is: Do you believe there is roleplaying left in 4th edition? And a explination as to why you believe tht.
For me I believe there is, i've played threw some compaings as the DM and had no problem with the Roleplaying aspect, i believe it does depend on the group you play with.
People saying that don't know what they are talking about. The rules can't make you roleplay, all these people are talking about is not including lots of fluff. The idea in 4th edition is to make up your own fluff, something which actually encourages roleplaying.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 6:56PM
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Ok so i've been hearing form ppl saying the d&d 4th edition has little or no roleplaying, while others say it does, it just depends on the group on how invlolved in roleplaying they get. So my question to you is: Do you believe there is roleplaying left in 4th edition? And a explination as to why you believe tht.
For me I believe there is, i've played threw some compaings as the DM and had no problem with the Roleplaying aspect, i believe it does depend on the group you play with.
People saying that don't know what they are talking about. The rules can't make you roleplay, all these people are talking about is not including lots of fluff. The idea in 4th edition is to make up your own fluff, something which actually encourages roleplaying.
I agree, and in 4th edition i feel a kinda of fresh breeze when we roleplay, its not nailed down by rules. we can play how the story goes
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 7:03PM
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The presence of one thing does not indicate the absence of another. Strong, balanced, detailed tactical combat is very present in 4th Edition. It is what it does well, and better than any version before IMHO. Because that facet of the game is so robust (and the combats can go on a little long at times), people believe that roleplaying is somehow absent from the game. In truth, it is no more absent than any other edition before. Moreover, a case could be made that with the inclusion of Skill Challenges, 4th Edition try to bring some of that balance and challenge to activities outside of combat including roleplaying. To the degree that Skill Challenges worked or didn't work (at all) is in the eye of the beholder (just ask frothsof about that).
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 9:26PM
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4E lacks the tools that some modern systems like FATE or Fiasco have to facilitate role play. That said, it's every bit as good at role play as every edition of D&D to date.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 9:31PM
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How much you do or don't roleplay is essentially up to the group, more specifically up to the individual. I've seen 'Vampire' games, which many people tout as a great role-playing heavy system (I dispute that, but whatever) that were little more than Monster Of The Week fights.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 10:58PM
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I never get the argument that 4e doesnt support RPing, the only thing outside of combat that really changed was lack of crafting skills, and classes not being alignment locked (which creates issues rather than roleplaying, someone who RP's a good paladin will RP a good paladin reguardless of mechanics).
From a DM point of view, I find I can create stories that seem more like stories, since bad guys don't need 102 defences against casters.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 11:06PM
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The people that I heard complain about the lack of roleplaying in 4E were almost always the ones that claimed that 4E was just World of Warcraft in a pen and paper system. Interestingly enough, of the dozen or so individuals that have expressed this sentiment to me, only 1 had actually played 4E.
As has been said already, EVERY edition of D&D has always had as much or as little RP as the group wants. The thing I enjoy the most about 4E is that (again, as already stated) the combat system is incredibly robust and, in my opinion, very balanced and smooth to run. And the icing on that really awesome cake is that there are no game mechanics that get in the way of story-based RP.
I'm about to start an RP-heavy game set in the Shadowfell and I'm really looking forward to it. I told the players that there would probably only be 1 combat per every 2 or 3 game sessions. And those would only happen if the party got themselves into a bind.
So, I think that those that claim an absence of RP in 4E simply don't understand the system.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 18, 2012 - 11:26PM
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No system can roleplay for you. There are things a system can do to help encourage or discourage roleplaying (in a specific manner), or make it easier or harder to adapt the system to a specific style of roleplaying. But ultimately, all roleplaying, however much or little, comes from the players.
While 4e, as a system, does little to actively encourage roleplaying, it does equally as much to discourage it. So roleplaying happens in 4e because you want it to, not because you can use it to levy some sort of advantage over the system or avoid some sort of penalty.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 20, 2012 - 7:02AM
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Systems don't roleplay, people do.
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