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Aug 17, 2012 -- 12:26AM, JohnLynch wrote:

From the Keynote

Starting tomorrow, they will be releasing levels 1-5 of the sorcerer and warlock classes to highlight two more magic systems.

I am ecstatic to hear this.

That said, I'm concerned. I personally don't want to play in the AEDU style for 4th ed, but I quite like the flavour of both Warlocks and Sorcerers. I'm concerned that the AEDU style is going to be baked into one of these classes, forcing me to use a magic system I have no interest in or not play that type of character.

What do other people feel/think of the upcoming arcane classes?

I'm on the opposite side of the fence and pretty much feel the same way. If the only way I can play an AEDU class is to play one specific class with baked in mechanics, I will be very angry...

Aug 17, 2012 -- 1:39AM, Qmark wrote:

At the very least, they're handling the playtest a hell of a lot better now.
Rather than wait three months for new stuff in a whole new packet, they're just giving us the new stuff itself.

Unfortunatly, the details leaking out strongly suggest that to get the casting system you want, you will very likely have to also take baked-in flavor-mechanics you don't want, and vice-versa.  If the arcane classes each tie one of three casting methods to one of three flavor-packages, that means two-thirds of potiential arcane-class players are going to be disappointed.

Yeah, they show close ups of the character sheets on the keynote speech video. Both the Sorcerer and Warlock have baked in flavor mechanics...

Aug 17, 2012 -- 1:49AM, Qmark wrote:

In a nutshell:

	Vancian	Spontaneous	AEDU
You have a spellbook	Wizard	nope	nope
You are a mutant or something	nope	Sorcerer	nope
You sold your soul to a demon	nope	nope	Warlock

Go watch the keynote video.

If you are a Sorcerer your hit points are based on your bloodline and you get a damage bonus to your spells, you also use the AEDU system and don't get to swap spells out at extended rests.

The Warlock has the Pact as a class feature that grants various things to their spells...

Aug 17, 2012 -- 1:58AM, Qmark wrote:

Oopsie.  Table edit ahoy!

go watch the video I could have the AEDU thing backwards...

Aug 17, 2012 -- 2:36AM, Valien wrote:

That's the worst thing in the news about Next. I hate Vancian casting so much, it makes my head hurts. I want it never to see the light of day in my games. But now WotC comes to me and tell me that, if I ban Vancian, my players won't be able to play one of the game's most iconic classes? After all they bragged about was the modularity thing? Total failure.

Not only that but out of 4 spellcasting classes only 2 don't use vancian...