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10 months ago ::
Sep 04, 2012 - 12:05PM
#271
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as I said, they would be irght in asking. I doubt they would get what they want, if even they know what they want.
and by the watcher, I doubt they even know that, I only know that they don't like the 4e realms.
What I want:
the deities back to how they were in 3e.
removal of the aboleth sovernty( really this was a mistake to add in)
the returns of helm, eilistraee, mask, mystra etc.
A better and more savage matzica
all of the chultan penn, to be remade into a massive swamp rulled by lizardfolk and scaley kind and where that pc races are slaves
what I'll compromise
moving High Imaskar back to its ancient homeland for thsoe who want mulhaund back
Somehow I forgot about the aboleth thingy... Perhaps it's for the best?
If we're talking bringing back the earthy places, let's tie them into the Realms more. As pointed out, they started doing that to Unther and Mulhorand in 3e and it was pretty good IMO. When Maztica comes back, get rid of the colony crap. I wouldn't mind if scholars of weave and plume magic sharing secrets, perhaps holding cultural meetings or what have you. Perhaps a look at inter-tribal conflict and war. Perhaps how the supernatural and mythological elements interact with the rest of the Realms. Plus, Mesoamerican mythology had some rreeaaallllyy messed up monsters!  Same deal with Kara-Tur and the other areas. It's time for a Realmsian makeover! (I still need to track down my old DM and grab his notes for ideas) Of course, this should be an option. (An awesome option!)
Disgruntled ghost of the Knights of W.T.F.
(Keep D&D alive, end the edition wars!)
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Disclaimer: Most of my posts are based on opinions (and are sometimes humorous, other times inspirational)
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10 months ago ::
Sep 04, 2012 - 7:23PM
#272
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The Soveriegnty is not from Abier, in fact I think it goes back to the Batrachi empires. The Soveriegnty is one of the few things I loved about 4e, but then I really like abberrants.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 04, 2012 - 7:43PM
#273
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I like abberants and I hate aberrants
aboleths are in my HATe list
and the highlander AS has to go
so lets pick up out katanas, lop off their heads and take their lives and with it, their power.
in the end there can be only one
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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10 months ago ::
Sep 04, 2012 - 7:49PM
#274
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For every person that disliked 4E Realms, there's a person that likes 4E Realms.
Just because YOU dislike something, doesn't mean everyone dislikes the same thing.
Well, I would certainly dispute that the ratio is 1:1, or anywhere near 1:1. My guess is that for every one person that likes the 4E Realms there're far, FAR more people who disliked the 4E Realms. Despite that, I am willing to compromise so that Tymanther can stay on Toril. As I posted elsewhere, if they attached both it and Akanul to Returned Abeir and then placed it in the ocean inbetween Faerun and Maztica that'd be just fine. But in place of Mulhorand? Nope. That's not debateable as far as I'm concerned. The conflict between the Mulhorandi, Untherites, Imaskari, and Thayans is just too old and too rife with possibilities to leave Tymanther there in Mulhorand's place.
You have no evidence for how popular or unpopular the changes made to FR are, regardless of the edition. There are just too many other variables that could affect any metric you could come up with. All we know is that every edition of the Realms has dedicated fans who love every bit of the their favorite version of the setting. I abhor this backstabbing, "I want it all my way or else" mentality. You love Mulhorand, other people love Tymanther. Both can co-exist side by side. Compromise is about give and take, not "shove the thing I don't like into a corner." Remember, the devs could easily shove "Egypt and Babylon" off on some out of the way island.
My proposal is not Mulhorand or Tymanther, far from it. I want to see Ao fundamentally alter the landscape and add more land to that area of the continent. The whole bag of empires can have more than enough room to co-exist.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 04, 2012 - 9:16PM
#275
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Fair enough, but I just want a customizable toolkit. That's compromise IMO. That way, don't want faux-Egypt? GET RID OF IT! Don't want Abeir? TO THE NINE HELLS WITH IT! Etc... I want it to be easy to mess around with Realms content and not feel like I'm not supported for my decision... Ya know?
Disgruntled ghost of the Knights of W.T.F.
(Keep D&D alive, end the edition wars!)
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Disclaimer: Most of my posts are based on opinions (and are sometimes humorous, other times inspirational)
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 6:13AM
#276
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For every person that disliked 4E Realms, there's a person that likes 4E Realms.
Just because YOU dislike something, doesn't mean everyone dislikes the same thing.
Well, I would certainly dispute that the ratio is 1:1, or anywhere near 1:1. My guess is that for every one person that likes the 4E Realms there're far, FAR more people who disliked the 4E Realms. Despite that, I am willing to compromise so that Tymanther can stay on Toril. As I posted elsewhere, if they attached both it and Akanul to Returned Abeir and then placed it in the ocean inbetween Faerun and Maztica that'd be just fine. But in place of Mulhorand? Nope. That's not debateable as far as I'm concerned. The conflict between the Mulhorandi, Untherites, Imaskari, and Thayans is just too old and too rife with possibilities to leave Tymanther there in Mulhorand's place.
You have no evidence for how popular or unpopular the changes made to FR are, regardless of the edition. There are just too many other variables that could affect any metric you could come up with. All we know is that every edition of the Realms has dedicated fans who love every bit of the their favorite version of the setting. I abhor this backstabbing, "I want it all my way or else" mentality. You love Mulhorand, other people love Tymanther. Both can co-exist side by side. Compromise is about give and take, not "shove the thing I don't like into a corner." Remember, the devs could easily shove "Egypt and Babylon" off on some out of the way island.
My proposal is not Mulhorand or Tymanther, far from it. I want to see Ao fundamentally alter the landscape and add more land to that area of the continent. The whole bag of empires can have more than enough room to co-exist.
Fine there is no solid, indesputable evidence. But like most things there is the case that is MOST likely.
Measure the activity of Candlekeep now to what it was before it was decided to arbitrarily change the realms for those who thought there was too much information. Measure the fan lore put out about 4e compared to that of previous editions. They are going back to the original geography because they lost so many fans of the Forgotten Realms. It is unlikely that there is a 1:1 ratio of fans. Very unlikely. Whether you beleive it or not does not really matter, what matters is that the game writers see it, as they do, and they are willing to right the ship.
Abeir should have been its own campaign world. I think a good compromise is the portal method. Let there be portals to the realms of Abeir, and it treat Abeir like any other campaign setting. Abeir may have had original content, but it added nothing to the realms. There is nothing in Abeir you could do that you could not do in Faerun. It was a shoehorned campaign world.
BUT if you want to run a campaign with asian themes you have Kara tur. Want arabian? You have Zakhara. Do you want to explore mesoamerican themes in your campaign, maybe an entire campaign like Apocalypto? Maztica. Plus they deserve their place MORE than Abeir because no one has published novels in Abeir. I have more lore in supplements for the old empires alone than all of the published pages of Abeir.
Abeir is its own campaign setting and should be treated as such. By making it linked be portals, those that want PoL can keep it and those that want the Forgotten Realms to remain can easily ignore it. Not only that it can be developed independently.
No one is advocating getting rid of Dragonborn, or genasi. The changes brought to 4e were not well thought, and they were not organic changes to the realms. They were changes for mechanics sake only.
Mulhorand, Kara Tur, et al. filled a theme and cultural niche. That is why they should stay.
Abeir filled a marketing niche to give new people a part of the realms tfor which they 'know just as much as anyone'. Tyrmanther was added to conform to rules mechanics.
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D&D Grognards are the CAMRA of D&D!
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 8:02AM
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They are going back to the original geography because they lost so many fans of the Forgotten Realms.
Or they're just using the Realms because it's always been the flagship setting for launching the latest edition of D&D.
If D&D and the Realms had done great in 4E, when 5E came around we'd have still seen the Realms, front and center.
The Forgotten Realms: It's an ugly baby, but damnit it's our ugly baby.
WotC, please don't wreck the Forgotten Realms a third time in order to introduce the latest version of the D&D rules.
Give us back 3rd Edition's Magic Television concept instead.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 9:53AM
#278
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Measure the activity of Candlekeep now to what it was before it was decided to arbitrarily change the realms
Or on these boards right here for that matter
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 10:10AM
#279
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They are going back to the original geography because they lost so many fans of the Forgotten Realms.
Or they're just using the Realms because it's always been the flagship setting for launching the latest edition of D&D.
If D&D and the Realms had done great in 4E, when 5E came around we'd have still seen the Realms, front and center.
True to the flagship setting. I am not talking about why it is first though. Specifically I am addressing Ed Greenwood's comment of 'righting the ship', and Paul S. Kemp's comment of how they lost their way. Coupled with returning the Realms to its previous geography, it is a pretty good indication that people that manage the realms have an indication that the popularity decreased.
CAMRA preserves and protects real ale from the homogenization of modern beer production.
D&D Grognards are the CAMRA of D&D!
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10 months ago ::
Sep 06, 2012 - 10:24AM
#280
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Date Joined:
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Measure the activity of Candlekeep now to what it was before it was decided to arbitrarily change the realms
Or on these boards right here for that matter
Candlekeep is thriving. This place was a ghost town for a while. One could watch the tumbleweeds blowing by...
HAND OF KARSUS!  
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