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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:08PM
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Aug 14, 2012
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When talking about changes to D&D, the topic that always comes up is why not just play Pathfinder? Everyone seems to love it. Don't get me wrong, I love it too, but I talked to a lot of D&D players at ComicCon this year and not one of them seemed to care about the future of the game. I don't see Pathfinder as a safety net as so many of them do, I always approached it as a different, fun perspective in fantasy tabletops, but would like to see D&D come back to be number one. The saddest quote I heard all weekend:
"It really doesn't matter what Wizards is trying to do because Paizo is doing it better. Wizards gave us 3.5 but abandoned it in favor of the abomination that was 4th edition. Edition warring aside, most players felt betrayed. I'm all about trying new things in D&D, but it will probably never get past the novelty stage. Believe me, man. I speak for most players when I say Pathfinder is the way to go. Wizards is just trying to bounce back from the failure that was 4th edition."
I wasn't sure how I felt about that statement, but now I see that if we don't do our part and really pour ourselves into this, Pathfinder will become the better choice. I mean, it basically is already, as there really isn't any good, new fantasy products other than Pathfinder. I don't know about you all, but I haven't been impressed at all with the last two playtest packs. Who wants to help me resurrect 3.5???
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:19PM
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When talking about changes to D&D, the topic that always comes up is why not just play Pathfinder?
Because there's no reason to ever even look at a pathfinder book.
I own 3.5
I own 4e.
IMO: Pathfinder is the worst of both.
Pathfinder has a great world.
I don't need the system to play in the world.
Ahh, so THIS is where I can add a sig.
Remember: Killing an ancient God inside of a pyramid IS a Special Occasion, and thus, ladies should be dipping into their Special Occasions underwear drawer.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:34PM
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Wizards gave us 3.5 but abandoned it in favor of the abomination that was 4th edition.
What's wrong with 4e?
I quite like it.
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F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter. With some warlord stuff. Broken in a plot way, not a power way.
Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.
Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.
King Fisher Does an excellent job at keeping an enemy disabled in a few ways. Strong.
Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.
Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.
Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.
Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.
Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.
Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.
Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.
Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.
Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.
Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.
Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.
Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.
Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.
Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.
The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.
Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power
Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken
Unnamed Avenger|Runepriest/Hammer of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.
Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.
Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.
Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight, only far more broken.
Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.
Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones. Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:36PM
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I picked up a Pathfinder book once at the local gaming store. My gaming group still has never let me live it down. I'll never make that mistake again.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:49PM
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I love pathfinder, but i think that wizards has learned from their mistakes and they are building a good game(i hope so), different than 4e and 3.x/pathfinder
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 9:03PM
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Wizards gave us 3.5 but abandoned it in favor of the abomination that was 4th edition.
What's wrong with 4e?
I quite like it.
word. 4e is fun.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 9:07PM
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Nov 24, 2010
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if you are really, truly happy with pathfinder or 3.5 or any other edition, then by all means, continue to play your preferred edition.
let people who want to make this edition better by playtesting it make this edition better. go back. please. enjoy. buy john brazer enterprises supplemental products for pathfinder/3.x. the market is big enough that wizards will survive without you. thank you. have a nice day.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 10:03PM
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Ok, I have to get into this one. For the longest time I was a pro 4e and anti pathfinder guy. I've played 3.5 and loved. I played 4e and loved it more. I got bored playing the same mods in LFR and the same character concepts, so I started playing Pathfinder. I've played it 3 times so far.
Each time I played it, it felt like playing 4e just with different types of characters and quicker battles. Each mod had a skill challenge. Call it what you will, but I had to roll a certain number of skill checks in order to accomplish a task for the faction and get my prestige point. Pathfinder has immediate actions and swift actions (minor actions). Pathfinder appears to me to be nothing more than 3.5 with a little 4e put in for perfection. I'm enjoying it none the less though.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 10:04PM
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Iomedae's knickers!!!!!
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 10:14PM
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Apr 21, 2009
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I dont understand all this hoopla about Pathfinder, I mean its pretty much the same as 3e, I mean really I was kinda pissed when I got the 3.5 books, I mean it was all pretty much the same thing, and now Paizo wants me to spend money buying the 3e rule books, AGAIN!? Yeah I dont think so, 4e was different, not just the same ol thing again, might be one of the reasons I like it. Im not too sure what I think of 5e at the moment, if they throw in a few more 4eisms I might be interested, but really what they (WotC) need to do is come up with a decent system and STICK WITH IT, this having to buy new Player's Handbooks every few years has got to go!
I survived Section 4 and all I got was this lousy sig
Off-topic and going downhill from there
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