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10 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:16AM
#31
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You could just make longswords finesse weapons if you use them in two hands. Same stats as a katana. Katanas don't really make sense as a finesse weapon if longswords aren't, considering the similarity of their size, use and purpose.
Maybe make them finesse for 2 hands with a feat (that elves get for free with elven weapon training). Most creatures still wouldn't bother trying to use a katana as a finesse weapon except the odd human every now and again.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:14PM
#32
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I'm not a fan of the racial weapons. It means nothing if you can't use the weapon and is a wasted bonus. If you can use the weapon then you pretty much 'have' to use the weapon or it's still a wasted bonus.
That's something that should be part of a feat or background.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 1:24AM
#33
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We'd prefer if elves treated longswords as finesse weapons (no increased damage die) - same effect as making rapiers one die larger, they keep their longsword affinity, and a typical elfen soldier would be very different from a typical dwarven soldier, not only from its equipment, but also from stat distribution and fighting style (more mobile, less damaging)
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10 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 11:56AM
#34
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I agree Craith, Elves with Longsword use Dex or Str and do 1d10.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 30, 2012 - 4:15PM
#35
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Elves have had bonuses or proficiency with longswords since 1st edition. I don't see any reason to change.
My two copper.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 31, 2012 - 6:15PM
#36
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Feb 10, 2007
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Elves have had bonuses or proficiency with longswords since 1st edition. I don't see any reason to change.
Just for the sake of the exercise, roll a dex-based elf fighter and give him a longsword. I have no problem with the CONCEPT of elves using longswords (as someone wrote earlier, it is the weapon of Corellon Larethian), but it does not meld well with the current mechanics of the playtest.
Two things I see that would fix things:
1. So as not to add any additional special rules, change bonus from longsword to rapier.
2. Add a special rule allowing elves to use longswords as finesse weapons.
I'd be happy with either. What I don't like is the fact that as things stand, you can't make a good dex elf fighter and get the racial bonus... unless you have excellent strength too.
Just my 2 cents.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 01, 2012 - 12:31AM
#37
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I think I'd agree allowing elves to use dex for longswords without applying the finesse keyword to them would keep a lid on balance issues.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 05, 2012 - 12:25AM
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I think I'd agree allowing elves to use dex for longswords without applying the finesse keyword to them would keep a lid on balance issues.
I would argue against it, but really it wouldn't change much. Halfling rogues get d8 shortswords as it is lol. So I guess I could go either way.
My two copper.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 05, 2012 - 11:48AM
#39
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I think I'd agree allowing elves to use dex for longswords without applying the finesse keyword to them would keep a lid on balance issues.
I would argue against it, but really it wouldn't change much. Halfling rogues get d8 shortswords as it is lol. So I guess I could go either way.
Yeah I'm not overly happy with the short sword issue for halflings. Daggers and slings I can get on board with. I think the problem becomes halfling fighters would have no reason to use a short sword if a dagger does the same damage and that feels a bit limiting concept-wise. It may depend on what benefits can be added to finesse weapons (like 2 weapon fighting). I think I'd prefer halflings and elves to use dex for the long/short sword weapons without any of the benefits of finesse like 2 weapon fighting etc.
Still, if small characters were to get bonuses and penalties for size like in 3e (but a -1 penalty instead of a die reduction) I wonder how powerful the +1 AC and +1 attack would be in a bounded system?
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10 months ago ::
Sep 05, 2012 - 7:07PM
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You gain proficiency with the weapon types listed,if you would be proficient due to other means,you instead increase the damage die by one
I think that's a good way to do it. I do think elves should either be given the bonus to finesse weapons, or allowed to use Dex with longswords, too. I've always thought of elves as nimble and dexterous, so if the longsword stays, they should be able to use dex.
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