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10 months ago ::
Aug 13, 2012 - 7:51PM
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Ok Undead Lore is a horrible idea just inlclude it into Religion lore.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 13, 2012 - 7:55PM
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Agree. The number of lore skills currently is ridiculous.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 13, 2012 - 7:57PM
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There certainly does seem to be an abundance of "Lore" skills. They've tried to hit as many topics as possible and they seem to have gone overboard. My personal favorite has to "Professional Lore".
I figure we'll see a number of them consolidated in the next update.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 13, 2012 - 8:05PM
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I think the best option might be for all the various "monster" lore to be lumped into a single skill - and then characters can have a speciality in a type of monster (with ways to gain additional specialities)
That said, I can kinda understand not having undead tied to religion lore - only because undead created through strictly arcane ways wouldn't necessarily be tied to religion.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 8:37AM
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I think the first Playtest's approach was better. If every Lore Skill is an Intelligence check, then you only really need one Lore Skill entry for both PCs and DM. What I think they need to do is explain every Skill in every Background. So there is one Lore skill and the Undead Lore is explained under Sage. Yes, this could create multiple entries in the same book. I could see a clerical background that also has the Undead Lore skill. But what if that clerical background is in another book? It keeps the information local without having to cross reference everything - another way to speed up character creation. There should only be one Undead Lore in Next, but by putting the Skill Description in the Background you could have a seperate background with Undead Slaying skill that does different things. Listing all the Skills limits them, putting them in the Backgrounds makes them more dynamic. And the DM gets a smaller more concise set of Skills and DCs to manage, like Lore instead of a dozen Different Lores.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 11:36AM
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What boggles my mind is that apparently Undead Lore and Forbidden Lore are two different skills. Says a lot about the world of DDNext, doesn't it?
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