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10 months ago  ::  Aug 10, 2012 - 7:54PM #1
brap8
Date Joined: Jan 26, 2011
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Is that right ?  When I mess around with the character builder their is two types, one gets poison use and the other does not ?  Why. What does the non poison use one get ?  Also when using the compendium it does not list all of the poisons. Why. How can I get a complete list of poisons for 4 e
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 10, 2012 - 7:58PM #2
Mad_Jack
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 There are two different assassin classes - the Assassin and the Executioner. The Assassin is built on the original framework of the 4E classes, while the Executioner is built on an Essentials frame.
They do things in different ways - they first is someone who's sold part of their soul to the Shadowfell for access to shadow magic and the second is a completely martial class who basically sneaks around and does the stabbity thing.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 10, 2012 - 8:03PM #3
brap8
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Ok but why would the one who sneaks around not get poison use ?
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 10, 2012 - 8:55PM #4
Countjade
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Basically, the orinal assassin, or Ossassin, is an arcane, magical killer, using shadowmagic and teleportation along with weapons. The Essassin, or Essentials assassin, is a martial base, using completely physical attacks and poisons.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 11, 2012 - 1:58PM #5
Eisenritter
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Expanding on that, there's really only ONE assassin.  That would be the Essentials version, because the other one DOESN'T WORK.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 12, 2012 - 12:37PM #6
Sea-Envy
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Aug 10, 2012 -- 7:58PM, Mad_Jack wrote:


 There are two different assassin classes - the Assassin and the Executioner. The Assassin is built on the original framework of the 4E classes, while the Executioner is built on an Essentials frame.
They do things in different ways - they first is someone who's sold part of their soul to the Shadowfell for access to shadow magic and the second is a completely martial class who basically sneaks around and does the stabbity thing.




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10 months ago  ::  Aug 13, 2012 - 9:29AM #7
brap8
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How does the other not work. The E assassin. Has no daily?
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 13, 2012 - 1:36PM #8
Scatterbrained
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First of all, both types can use poison.  Anyone can use poisons, and both assassins are good at making the most of them.

The Essentials assassin (Executioner) has an extra set of poisons that it gets instead of daily powers.  These special poisons can only be used once a day, and cost nothing to make - basically they are daily powers in poison form.  Only Executioners get access to these poisons, although an original assassin can take a feat to swap a daily power for a poison.  The Executioner also has all of it's encounter powers rolled into one big pile of extra damage that they can add onto one hit per encounter.  All other times you'll be using at-wills.

The original Assassin has "normal" encounter and daily powers, but it can still apply regular poisons to its weapon, same as a rogue or fighter or anyone could.  But those poisons are consumable items they have to buy.  Some of the encounter and daily powers have the poison keyword, so think of them as having poison already built in.

The two types work very differently, so you should read up on both before you decide which one to play.
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 13, 2012 - 2:35PM #9
Eisenritter
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Aug 13, 2012 -- 9:29AM, brap8 wrote:

How does the other not work. The E assassin. Has no daily?




The E-assassin can actually KILL THINGS.  The other one just hops around the field whining at his allies not to steal his kill.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 13, 2012 - 3:55PM #10
Sea-Envy
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Slightly more mechanical answer-
Instead of doing more damage right away the O-ssassin adds shrouds to a target that lets him do bounus damage at a latter time. So if the fighter kills the monster before the O-ssassin acctivates his shrouds then he has not done any extra damage. 
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