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That's my main gripe with college, actually.  They make you pay to take classes you don't want to that'll be less than useless in your planned career.  It's stupid and the fact that they choose to hide the obvious money grab behind a (very thin) veil of 'student betterment through varied exposure' is really, really agitating.  And it's even worse for me.  I mean, I can almost understand it when we're talking about an 18 year old kid what never had a job.  Sure, they could possibly discover a career path they never considered when they take some oddball class.  Like, maybe.  There's probably no way someone is gonna decide to major in Early English Lit if they were considering an engineering path, yanno?  Anyhoo, peeps like me are totally boned by this.  I have a career in a specified field and I like what I do.  To get papers, though, I will have to take all the same BS classes some clueless 18 year old will.  Why?  What benefit will college Spanish serve me in my technical career?  How will some history class benefit me?  It's such a waste of time and money.  The only saving grace is that Associate Degrees (which also tend to offer certification) don't typically require much of that crap - er, at least not much more than I've already taken.  Still, it makes me hate the idea of going back.  A lot.

If I wanna be a doctor and I know that, learning about ancient Chinese art will not benefit me.  In fact, it will hurt me by distracting me from studies that will actually benefit me in the real world.  That's not to say there's no place for those sort of classes, it's only to say if I'm paying to learn doctorhood, I shouldn't be forced to pay for classes that won't do anything positive for me in my path to that goal or when I'm actually in the doctoring business.

Dec 4, 2012 -- 11:58AM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

That's my main gripe with college, actually.  They make you pay to take classes you don't want to that'll be less than useless in your planned career.  It's stupid and the fact that they choose to hide the obvious money grab behind a (very thin) veil of 'student betterment through varied exposure' is really, really agitating.  And it's even worse for me.  I mean, I can almost understand it when we're talking about an 18 year old kid what never had a job.  Sure, they could possibly discover a career path they never considered when they take some oddball class.  Like, maybe.  There's probably no way someone is gonna decide to major in Early English Lit if they were considering an engineering path, yanno?  Anyhoo, peeps like me are totally boned by this.  I have a career in a specified field and I like what I do.  To get papers, though, I will have to take all the same BS classes some clueless 18 year old will.  Why?  What benefit will college Spanish serve me in my technical career?  How will some history class benefit me?  It's such a waste of time and money.  The only saving grace is that Associate Degrees (which also tend to offer certification) don't typically require much of that crap - er, at least not much more than I've already taken.  Still, it makes me hate the idea of going back.  A lot.

If I wanna be a doctor and I know that, learning about ancient Chinese art will not benefit me.  In fact, it will hurt me by distracting me from studies that will actually benefit me in the real world.  That's not to say there's no place for those sort of classes, it's only to say if I'm paying to learn doctorhood, I shouldn't be forced to pay for classes that won't do anything positive for me in my path to that goal or when I'm actually in the doctoring business.

only way i know of to avoid that stuff is to either go to a trade school or go back to school in some super awesome field and be able to get accepted into a phd or masters program without finishing your bs/ba but that road is probably easier if you've gotten some sort of equivalent degree in the past even if you dont meet general ed requierments at this time.

but yeah its all bs and junk.

as a physics major i can understand needing to take some bio and chem. maybe even an english course or two to have some basic skills for writing papers that i'd likely have to write during my carrier. but like why all the other stuff that takes up more than half of my college carrier? doesn't make sense.

I've been in college since 05 and im sick of it. Been in school nonstop with no break since I was about 5 or something. So yeah like 20 years of my life going to classes day in and day out. Haven't really had anything more than a couple part time jobs. So far I've learned some cool math and science but dont know how to look for a job. A friend and ex class mate came back to town from his masters program thingy in Oregan at UO. He's like one of the best things about their program is all they really do is prep you for getting a job. Like teach you how to interview and blah blah blah. like they teach you some science but a lot of it is about how to get a job. like that's probably way  way more useful than the last 7 years i've had of schooling. but aparently schools done teach how to be useful in the work force or even how to become a part of it until you get to a masters or phd. before that you just gotta hope you're doing it right. lol

You gots a brokted pic ther, RH. 

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Another option is to use Roman numerals, even if they are not printed on the pages. Which you use depends largely on the school you're in. Many have specific citation requirements. You shouldn't have too much trouble finding them in your school's online database.