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Aug 9, 2012 -- 12:51PM, Dr_Moreau wrote:

What is leathal hammer training? And I thought I could only use light blades for snaek attack? And what is tunnel stalker? Sorry I'm a noob...

They are both feats specific to Dwarven Rogues that do pretty much what DanMathMan said. Tunnel Stalker lets you use an axe, hammer or pick with one-hand for rogue powers that require a light blade and sneak attack at the cost of losing 1 die of sneak damage. Lethal Hammer training is similar, its limited to a warhammer or throwing hammer, but doesn't cost you die of sneak damage.

Aug 9, 2012 -- 1:06PM, Dr_Moreau wrote:

Just found tunnel stalker feat, in MP of course, but I cant seem to find leathal hammer training, in which book is that?

MP2. One thing to point out, even if you don't have a DDI subscription you can still search the Compendium and see the source information, you just can't see the details.

Aug 9, 2012 -- 12:33PM, kalil wrote:

Aug 9, 2012 -- 11:45AM, RenZhe wrote:

What level range are you playing in? They're not all that spectacular early on, but Dwarven Rogues are singlehandedly capable of some of the most ridiculous things in epic tier.

Now you peaked my curiosity. Care to elaborate?

Be a Shield Dwarf for the free shield proficiency. Go Str/Dex and MC Fighter. Then take this lengthy shopping list of feats:

Bludgeon Expertise
Lethal Hammer Training
Dwarven Weapon Training
MC Fighter
Raam's Maw Practice
Hindering Shield
Overwhelming Impact

Result? At-Will Daze + Push 2 vs Reflex using your cornerstone at-will. If playing in paragon, you can still ruin someone's day by throwing in push-boosters to work up a Slow + Push 5. 

I prefer this on a Rogue|Warden/Son of Mercy, actually. Saves you at least a few feats in this list, and allows you to work up a mean Riposte Strike catch-22 with it.

Aug 9, 2012 -- 2:03PM, Dr_Moreau wrote:

Aug 9, 2012 -- 1:51PM, rjsilverthorn wrote:

Aug 9, 2012 -- 1:30PM, Dr_Moreau wrote:

Oh thanks! I'll go and try to read up a bit more, its just so much to keep track of. Not sure if I want my char to use hammers, had envisioned him with shortsword but its good to know that the option is there (and quite an appealing option to with twice as much damage from the weapon)

I generally prefer daggers on my rogues, ranged and melee in one weapon and I'd rather have the accuracy over a bump in die size.

Daggers is cool, and I guess maybe ok if you compare to shortsword, but compared to warhammer, craghammer or waraxe?

A 10% difference in accuracy is pretty substantial. I think Light Blade Expertise is also generally better than Bludgeon Expertise or Axe Expertise for rogues, unless you're going for something specific like RenZhe's build. Dagger also gives you a ranged and melee option without taking up your weapon enchantment, which means you've got access to all the minor action attack powers.