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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 12:42PM
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I wonder if some enterprising company will do to 4e what Pathfinder did to 3.5 after the switch to DDN is finalized?
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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 1:50PM
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I wonder if some enterprising company will do to 4e what Pathfinder did to 3.5 after the switch to DDN is finalized?
13th Age looks like it is coming close, but the basic language of the lisencing makes this much more difficult than the route Pathfinder was able to take.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 2:49PM
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Hi! I don't see a single reason why a new edition should bring me to quit playin' the previous one and, to be precise, the one I like the most (I'm startin' to believe that I'm not a DnD fan, but a 4th edition one  ). If the new edition will be good (even if I "smell" some fluff, and I hate fluff), I'll play it, if it's not, I'll avoid it. Anyway, I'll go on playin' 4th edition and I really hope that the core fans will go on supporting it with online and offline tools, as everyone is still doing with AD&D or 3rd. Now the choice has been made...But I'm not that happy with it, even if some ideas for DnDN sound great. The core idea of DnDN is the thing I like and dislike the most (no, I'm not crazy...or not that much ). The idea to create a big..."baf of holding" of styles and modules is clearly the consequence of a bad selling of 4th and an annoyin' (and sometimes absurd) ranting of 3rd edition nerds.
I think every edition has its own "style" and flavour and "splcing" is not the correct solution, even if, I bet it will have great success, maybe for the brand, maybe for the "it's new, it's greater than before" effect.
4th edition gave me and is still givin' me the best to do what I'm supposed to do in DnD as a DM: mastering epic adventures with epic characters in epic places. When I'm out of inspiration, I can improvise a bunch of side-quest and you're still gettin' the best. No need of ever-ending book-consulting, no individual power-gamer destruction.
Sorry for the length. The core concept is: PERSONALLY, I don't see any good reason, right now, for quittin' an edition for another one just because it's new.
If you are playin' 4th edition is because you like it (I guess), not because you're waiting the next one.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 3:14PM
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One other thing that they should worry about is if the only people allowed to vote are people who but Insider subscriptions. (I don't know if that is the case.)
Limiting their attention to just those who post and buy the subsciption would be a severe minority of their consumer pool.
As I mentioned in another thread, they really missed out on opportunities to expand by not making more race books--the only two I know of are the Tiefling and Dragonborn. Sure, a lot were done in previous editions, but they would have to be adapted to 4th, thus making them house-rule rather than official. Seems like the whole line of thought was abandoned before it had a chance to get going.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 7:12PM
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I wonder if some enterprising company will do to 4e what Pathfinder did to 3.5 after the switch to DDN is finalized?
13th Age looks like it is coming close, but the basic language of the lisencing makes this much more difficult than the route Pathfinder was able to take.
I don't know. 13th Age sounds like it may be in a similar spirit, but I wouldn't call what I've heard of it so far anything approximating a 4e Pathfinder.
And a 4e Pathfinder would be possible, but like you said the license makes it more difficult. In fact, one would have to ignore the GSL entirely and publish it under OGL or no license. Possible, but nowhere near as easy.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 21, 2012 - 10:23PM
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I'd still be playing 4e if my group was up for it. Sadly, we're doing something else.
Also, 13th Age isn't a 4e Pathfinder. Pathfinder is 3.5 D&D with tweaks and different artwork. 13th Age is it's own game using the 4e engine in the background. It doesn't even use a battlemat and caps out at 10th level (with paragon starting at 5th and epic at 8th). Not to say it's a lesser game or anything - I'd love to test it out.
4e D&D is not a "Tabletop MMO." It is not Massively Multiplayer, and is usually not played Online. Come up with better descriptions of your complaints, cuz this one means jack ****.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 3:55PM
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I'd still be playing 4e if my group was up for it. Sadly, we're doing something else.
Also, 13th Age isn't a 4e Pathfinder. Pathfinder is 3.5 D&D with tweaks and different artwork. 13th Age is it's own game using the 4e engine in the background. It doesn't even use a battlemat and caps out at 10th level (with paragon starting at 5th and epic at 8th). Not to say it's a lesser game or anything - I'd love to test it out.
Yes, you would. It is awesome. 
You're 100% correct on it not being a 4e "Pathfinder", too. Pathfinder is 3.5 with a fresh coat of paint and new rims being sold as a new model. 13th Age is a completely different model built on the same chassis.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 6:45PM
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I don't see a single reason why a new edition should bring me to quit playin' the previous one and, to be precise, the one I like the most (I'm startin' to believe that I'm not a DnD fan, but a 4th edition one ).
Playing the most popular version has huge advantages in getting to play at all, to say nothing of playing when and where you want to. In mechanics and fluff, D&D has never rated very high compared to other games, but at finding a chance to play... A game you never get a chance to play isn't much good. So when everybody else is switching, it can be quite wise to switch too, no matter how inferior the new game is.
Now unlike previous editions, we will have a choice this time. Pathfinder at least will be giving many of us adequate play chances. And I at least don't see much thrill for 5e. [My local game store ran several sessions for the first test, but there are no plans yet to hold any for the 2nd.] So I don't think we will be "forced" to change, but it's at least possible we will be playing 5e in a couple years because it is that or nothing.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 22, 2012 - 7:42PM
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> it's at least possible we will be playing 5e in
> a couple years because it is that or nothing.
If it comes down to that, I'll take nothing.
No gaming is better than bad gaming.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 23, 2012 - 5:25AM
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I don't have to worry about the "nothing" for the foreseeable future. I've got all the books and downloaded content plus eight close friends who universally despise Next and enjoy 4E.
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