There was the incident where the Half-Orge attacked the Theif, hitting for 12 damage, breaking the Thief's arm, knocking him down. The Warrior runs over critically hits the Half-Ogre and kills it and the DM responds: "Well, there went that plan. His next attack was going to be on you again to kill you."
Which brings us neatly around to 'change the character's behavior'. Dial back the greedy douchebaggery.
Of course, I begin to suspect that, if the way the OP is behaving on this board is how he treats the DM, the DM may be trying to get rid of more than an unlikeable character.
combat looting and an occasional (three instances) of pick pocketing in taverns is greedy douchbaggery? Or distacting the group to get first picks at corpse loot. The group of 4 Good characters will be more concerned about getting food for the starved prisoners, he used this knowledge to get them out of sight. Does this make him greedy, yes. Douchey, not so much. Everyone expects this from a Thief and is ok with it. His backstory was in a week before the campaign began and the OP even stated his intent to steal, just not from the group. The DM proceeded to allow the Thief into the story, then starts changing rules every time we've met.
The DM isn't the one playing an Evil character in a group that I can only assume is not evil. I don't really see how he's causing the problem, aside from trying to curb a greedy PC.
obviously he's not playing the character, but when as a group we loot 20 gold from 3-4 creatures we kill. Then there is a wholesale slaughter of 18 Orcs and a Half-Ogre, the Thief distracts the groups attention to a stockpile of food (just having rescued starved prisoners) he goes and loots the coin purses off all the bodies and gets a grand total of 20 SILVER? If instead it would have been a group loot, there would have been closer to 40 GOLD. How could the loot table be so drastically skewed on the same corpses?
And again, not to mention the fact of the original mention of the first post... The Mage gets a Bag of Holding (250 lbs), I (the Druid) get a Ring of (lesser) Weather Control, the Fighter gets a near indestructible Bastard Sword that has no weight and a +1 Shield with an unknown magical enchantment, and the Ranger gets a bow that has a Pre-initiative attack bonus (so 3 attacks every round), then the Thief gets a Spidersilk Shirt that provides a -1 AC.
Now if you're wondering about how they killed that many Orcs, the Ranger (the DMs wife) had chosen Orcs as her Favored Enemy (so +4 To Hit +2 Damage) and then he gave her the bow knowing they would be going to face Orcs. The rest of the party kinda just stands around while she just mows them down in a hail of arrows.
1. If you really thought I was implying he was actually playing the thief you completely and utterly missed my point.
2. Well it wasn't a group loot, it was one character attempting to rip off the rest of the party. I can see how your DM might be biased.
3. The spidersilk shirt bit is creepy, I agree with your/csnick (if you aren't the same person) on this one.
4. So? If a player took an ability that lets her do well against orcs and the party never fought orcs, she should be pissed.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag. I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke. "Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael Spoiler:Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.'' —Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you? -Daniel Jackson "Fun will now commence." -Seven of Nine
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank. 2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies. 3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up. 4. ??? 5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
So, we have a DM who doesn't like your behavior. We have a DM's wife who glares at the thief. We've got a Theif who likes combat looting, and we've got a druid who likes the Thief's behavior. It's hard to read player dynamics over the internet, but I think I've got the problem -- 1/2 the group finds your behavior glare-worthy, and half the party doesn't.
Random loot tables aren't going to fix this. The only way to fix it is have a heart to heart with the DM, and find out what he finds objectionable about your character's behavior. Is it that he wants to tell a heros storyline, and your character has a bad tone? If so, perhaps there's a way that you can modify the tone of your character while still roleplaying. Is it that you take a lot of time with your schemes, and he feels the rest of the group is just waiting while you can do your solo quests? If so, perhaps you can figure out modified pickpocket rules that are faster, or you can figure out how to make your thievery be more group focused. (sneaking up and laying traps for a fight always a crowd-pleaser). Maybe your DM just doesn't like the pizza your bring to the game, and switching vendors would make him happier with your character. At this point, I don't know, and neither do you.
At the same time, it wouldn't hurt to talk with the DM's wife. It sounds like she's glaring, and that's not a good sign. In a perfect world, the DM's wife would have exactly the same power as any other char, but in the real world, if everyone loves your character but the DM's wife, you may find yourself kickked out of the group. She may have clear complaints that you can fix easily.
And, while you're at it, if the group dynamics are as fractured as it appears from here, it may make sense to do a brief anonymous survey to find out what kind of stories all the people want to tell, and how much roleplaying they want to do, and if there are other issues they want to raise.
Also, part of the reason that the forum might be reacting to this is your forum title. You don't know the DM doesn't like theives, just that he doesn't like YOUR theif. If the problem was only your class, you could switch classes and fix the problem. If it's something more complex, then switching classes won't.
You also haven't really talked about what you're willing to do to be part of this group. If the answer comes back "I, the DM, hate thieves", would you be willing to change your class? You asked if you should leave the group, and if you are completely unwilling to compromise, then leaving is probably your only option. But, I hope for the sake of the game, you're willing to make an effort to find the root cause, and compromise. There's a breadth of characters you can roleplay, and if one is causing friction and tension, would it be worth it to you to find another character that didn't?
(Also, if you're new to the group, you might want to find out, "Was there tension before you came"? If the answer is no, then your character is the cause. That's probably something you need to fix fi you're going to roleplay long term)
Thank you MeCorva for being reasonable. When we first started this campaign the DM told me that he didnt expect anyone to play a thief, or anyone of an evil alignment. I assured him that my character was the
being "evil" without running around raping the churches and burning the women type evil
But in fact just someone who will do whatever means necessary to survive, and would bring flavor to the game. The example is that a bunch of bandits attack us at night, we kill all but one and we want information as to why we were attacked. obviously the 4 good people wouldnt resort to torture, but I would... Also for willingness to compromise I told him that should the occasion arise that my character does something stupid like combat looting, BUT gets caught, obviously theres a good chance I will be banned from the party. In which case I told him I'd probably roll a paladin (the worst kind to, the devout christian bigot! lol And I'm starting to feel as if he would rather have that character be played, than a thief. As for what he finds objectionable about my character has nothing to do with the schemes taking to long or the group waiting for me to decide what to steal. His only problem is he feels that if I get more gold than anyone else, I will eventually become more overpowered than anyone else. And I'm pretty sure he was happy with the meat lovers pizza and the P'zones
It sounds like your group dynamic is completely off. Your DM obivously favours his wife and his wife clearly has a poor opinon of your character and that is all that matters in this case. You will need to clear things up with them if you are to have any chance of having a fair session with them and come to a comprimise otherwise you are best to start looking for another group then one who isn't willing to be fair game.
On that note however, if he does suggest that you change then you will likely have to. But first of all, what is most importent, more importent then talking on here is to establish that rappore and establish what you are both looking to walk away with. After all, everyone should be satisfied with a session.
To be honest, it's sad to here that since it seems half of the group enjoys your antics and the way you pay them back for it works. But on the same token the really importent people around the table don't like it, so you need to reach an acceptable comprimise. Perhaps stealing more sparingly, from less orcs or be a bit more subtle (so if there were 40 gold pieces between 18 orcs, you would swindle about 6 off of them and then share the rest. Something a little less obvious then stealing everything) or whatever you can agree on. Because clearly the gold you are getting over the rest of the party isn't worth the favours he bestows on them.
But in fact just someone who will do whatever means necessary to survive, and would bring flavor to the game. The example is that a bunch of bandits attack us at night, we kill all but one and we want information as to why we were attacked. obviously the 4 good people wouldnt resort to torture, but I would... Also for willingness to compromise I told him that should the occasion arise that my character does something stupid like combat looting, BUT gets caught, obviously theres a good chance I will be banned from the party.
Maybe if you had said this 5 pages ago you might have been listened to.
Oh and saying that you will only help people for money dosen't count, that's neutral.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag. I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke. "Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael Spoiler:Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.'' —Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you? -Daniel Jackson "Fun will now commence." -Seven of Nine
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank. 2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies. 3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up. 4. ??? 5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
1. If you really thought I was implying he was actually playing the thief you completely and utterly missed my point.
2. Well it wasn't a group loot, it was one character attempting to rip off the rest of the party. I can see how your DM might be biased.
3. The spidersilk shirt bit is creepy, I agree with your/csnick (if you aren't the same person) on this one.
4. So? If a player took an ability that lets her do well against orcs and the party never fought orcs, she should be pissed.
1.) Sorry, failed my /sarcasm roll... LOL
2.) Understandable to reduce the loot, but to .05%~ish of what it would have been?
3.) The Warrior and the Thief are brothers, I am roommates with them both. The DM and Ranger are married, and the Mage is a mutual friend of all.
4.) Not faulting her for the favored enemy, she had no prior knowledge of the campaign (we hope). But her back story provides reasons for that as well.
