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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 2:37PM
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Again, as I said before, OP is *NOT* causing issues in the game. The DM is causing the problem
The DM isn't the one playing an Evil character in a group that I can only assume is not evil. I don't really see how he's causing the mproblem, aside from trying to curb a greedy PC.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence 
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?
I heard samsung is making shoes that are making you run faster too.
Liar. Hipsters don't run. It's too mainstream.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year. 
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that. 
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas.
(ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 3:31PM
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Your options remain the same. Adjust your character's behavior, change characters, or quit.
Or find a way to help the DM make things more 'balanced'. That way he sees that not everyone has to be good, and that an evil char brings things to the table that make the game more fun for everyone... like torture, hostages, shady deals, etc. (Which is why I posted in the first place, to resolve issues without having to kill off a perfectly good character for really no reason whatsoever) but those things are really hard to do when everytime I try 30 magical archers appear that are aimed at me should I try anything evil.
Also if you dont have any ideas as to how to help resolve things without "EVIL IS BAD, BAD IS NO GOOD, DONT DO IT YOU WILL DIE!" than I'm done talking to you =D
Thank God.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 4:10PM
#33
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You must spend a lot of time away from the party then, what are they doing while you are away being evil? Sitting in town waiting?
The 'Evil' im playing is the look out for myself before others, greedy, wont do quests to help poor villagers unless i get SOMETHING in return besides gratitude evil. Not Hitler evil or stalin evil, or hell even Brain from pinky and the brain evil. just plain old selfish evil
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 4:16PM
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You must spend a lot of time away from the party then, what are they doing while you are away being evil? Sitting in town waiting?
The 'Evil' im playing is the look out for myself before others, greedy, wont do quests to help poor villagers unless i get SOMETHING in return besides gratitude evil. Not Hitler evil or stalin evil, or hell even Brain from pinky and the brain evil. just plain old selfish evil
And this relates to my quote how........
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?
I heard samsung is making shoes that are making you run faster too.
Liar. Hipsters don't run. It's too mainstream.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas.
(ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 4:23PM
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That im still with the party 90% of the time
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 4:37PM
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Date Joined:
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That im still with the party 90% of the time
So you are evil, and yet 90 percent of the time you have no problem being good?
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Why do I get a silly PG-13 man giggle going everytime I see Fist Of The Forest ?
I heard samsung is making shoes that are making you run faster too.
Liar. Hipsters don't run. It's too mainstream.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas.
(ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 7:40PM
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I think you've gotten some decent advice here. This is a rather hackneyed character concept most long time gamers have seen on more than one occasion. In my experience its usually players new to a group and who quickly exit. I would bet your dm is merely reacting to the fact he expected a more cooperative game from his players.
There is plenty of room for inter party conflict but most often it isn't a real big winner. As a new member to the group going straight to the more disruptive characters isn't the wisest choice.
Honestly i wouldn't be surprised that Daementos_Stargazer is not in fact csnick, at least by looking at the join date of Daementos
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11 months ago ::
Jul 27, 2012 - 8:09PM
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i understand where the OP is coming from when its down to his character, and i mean this is turning into an alignment debate almost. being "evil" without running around raping the churches and burning the women type evil isnt nesscarily evil, he may not be a "good" person either, but he still is a more for oneself type person without being either of those. im not seeing any real evil acts yet, besides my atrocious sentence structure. Salla has given sound advice,hes not suggesting a radical comeplete overhaul change of character, but something more in fitting with the campaign.Explain to the DM how you feel and let him know your willing to compromise and change a couple things if he will lift up some of these restrictions.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 28, 2012 - 12:54AM
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The DM isn't the one playing an Evil character in a group that I can only assume is not evil. I don't really see how he's causing the problem, aside from trying to curb a greedy PC.
obviously he's not playing the character, but when as a group we loot 20 gold from 3-4 creatures we kill. Then there is a wholesale slaughter of 18 Orcs and a Half-Ogre, the Thief distracts the groups attention to a stockpile of food (just having rescued starved prisoners) he goes and loots the coin purses off all the bodies and gets a grand total of 20 SILVER? If instead it would have been a group loot, there would have been closer to 40 GOLD. How could the loot table be so drastically skewed on the same corpses?
And again, not to mention the fact of the original mention of the first post... The Mage gets a Bag of Holding (250 lbs), I (the Druid) get a Ring of (lesser) Weather Control, the Fighter gets a near indestructible Bastard Sword that has no weight and a +1 Shield with an unknown magical enchantment, and the Ranger gets a bow that has a Pre-initiative attack bonus (so 3 attacks every round), then the Thief gets a Spidersilk Shirt that provides a -1 AC.
Now if you're wondering about how they killed that many Orcs, the Ranger (the DMs wife) had chosen Orcs as her Favored Enemy (so +4 To Hit +2 Damage) and then he gave her the bow knowing they would be going to face Orcs. The rest of the party kinda just stands around while she just mows them down in a hail of arrows.
i understand where the OP is coming from when its down to his character, and i mean this is turning into an alignment debate almost. being "evil" without running around raping the churches and burning the women type evil isnt nesscarily evil, he may not be a "good" person either, but he still is a more for oneself type person without being either of those. im not seeing any real evil acts yet, besides my atrocious sentence structure. Salla has given sound advice,hes not suggesting a radical comeplete overhaul change of character, but something more in fitting with the campaign.Explain to the DM how you feel and let him know your willing to compromise and change a couple things if he will lift up some of these restrictions.
Let me refer you to this statment:
Your options remain the same. Adjust your character's behavior, change characters, or quit.
Changing characters or quitting would be considered a major overhaul, imo.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 28, 2012 - 12:58AM
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Which brings us neatly around to 'change the character's behavior'. Dial back the greedy douchebaggery.
Of course, I begin to suspect that, if the way the OP is behaving on this board is how he treats the DM, the DM may be trying to get rid of more than an unlikeable character.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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