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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 1:25AM
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Jun 19, 2009
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If I choose to hit a sleeping creature (Coup de Grace), and my damage proceed its bloodied value, can I still choose to knock the creature unconscious, or do I slay the target outright?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 2:10AM
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May 12, 2009
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Yes you can choose to knock a creature unconscious when performing a Coup De Grace, but only if the attack reduces it to 0 hit point, since its the requirement to be able to knock a creature unconscious.
Slaying the Target Outright: If the critical hit deals damage greater than or equal to the target’s bloodied value, the target dies.
Knock Creatures Unconscious: When an adventure reduced a monster or DM-controlled character to 0 hit points, he or she can choose to knock the creature unconscious rather than kill it.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 2:14AM
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If your CdG exceeds its bloodied value, it dies outright, you can't knock it unconscious.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 2:21AM
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Any monster reduced to 0 hit points dies outright, unless you knock it unconscious instead 
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 2:25AM
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Not the point.
The point is that the wording of Coup de Grace is more specific than 'reduced to 0'. If CdG said 'exceeds bloodied value = reduced to 0', then you could choose to knock the monster unconscious with your massive crit. It doesn't - it says 'exceeds bloodied value in damage = dead', which means that you get no choice. If you CdG something, and exceed its bloodied value in damage, it dies, you don't get a choice about it.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 5:49AM
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Not the point.
The point is that the wording of Coup de Grace is more specific than 'reduced to 0'. If CdG said 'exceeds bloodied value = reduced to 0', then you could choose to knock the monster unconscious with your massive crit. It doesn't - it says 'exceeds bloodied value in damage = dead', which means that you get no choice. If you CdG something, and exceed its bloodied value in damage, it dies, you don't get a choice about it.
I do have the same point of view as "thespaceinvader", but several of my players have the same view as "plaguescarred".
When you choose to run your dagger through some poor sleeping henchmans neck (Coup de Grace), it's inevitable that he dies! You can't say that you only knock him unconscious!
That's my point of view 
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 6:17AM
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Plague, what if the creature was above bloodied?
Then it's not dropping below 0, and it dies. No chance of unconsciousness.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 8:30AM
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It dies.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 10:08AM
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If I choose to hit a sleeping creature (Coup de Grace), and my damage proceed its bloodied value, can I still choose to knock the creature unconscious, or do I slay the target outright?
Technically, by strict RAW you slay the target outright. However, I reckon most DM's (and especially the game's designers) would allow you to instead knock it out (i.e. treat your action as a DMG p.42 stunt that mechanically does the exact same thing as coup de grace knockout).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 11:43AM
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If anything, it should be easier to knock a Helpless creature unconscious, not harder. The point of Coup De Grace is to kill a creature when dealing enought damage, even if not reducing to 0 hit points. The point of knocking a creature unconscious is to knock a creature unconscious rather than kill it when reducing to 0 hit point (this with Coup De Grace or not) So since knock a creature unconscious explicitly state that it doesn't kill a creature reduced to 0 hit points and that Coup De Grace doesn't explicitly exclude the possibility of knock it unconscious, therefore you can knock a creature you Coup De Gaced unconscious instead of killing it if the attack reduces it to 0 hit points by strick RAW. And if the creature is not reduced to 0 hit point then it dies because the rule for knocking it unconscious cannot be used.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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