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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 3:35PM
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I would like to see the classes from the Dragon included.
Good point. I'll add "Savant" to my list (although preferably move up the spellcasting to level 1).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 3:36PM
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Warden and Battlemind from 4E.
And can I include Summoner from Pathfinder as a runner-up?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 3:38PM
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Definitely 4E's Warlord, Warden, Artificer, and Swordmage.
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Obstinance?
Until you've had an in-law tell you your choice of game was stupid, and just Warcraft on paper, and dumbed down for dumber players who can't handle a real RPG, you haven't lived.
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We're using standard edition war rules. No posts of substance. Do not read the other person's posts with comprehension. Make frequent comparison to video games, MMOs, and CCGs. Use the words "fallacy" and "straw man", incorrectly and often. Passive aggressiveness gets you extra points and asking misleading and inflammatory questions is mandatory. If you're getting tired, just declare victory and leave the thread. Wait for the buzzer... and....
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D&D should not return to the days of blindfolding the DM and players. No tips on encounter power? No mention of expected party roles? No true meaning of level due to different level charts or tiered classes? Please, let's not sacrifice clear, helpful rules guidelines in favour of catering to the delicate sensibilities of the few who have problems with the ascetics of anything other than what they are familiar with.
Just a quick note on the MMORPG as an insult comparison...
MMORPGs, raking in money by the dumptruck full. Many options, tons of fans across many audiences, massive resources allocated to development.
TTRPGs, dying product. Squeaking out an existence that relys on low cost. Fans fit primarily into a few small demographics. R&D budgets small, often rushed to market and patched after deployment.
You're not really making much of an argument when you compare something to a MMORPG and assume people think that means bad. Lets face it, they make the money, have the audience and the budget. We here on this board are fans of TTRPGs but lets not try to pretend none of us play MMORPGs.
Adding options at the system level is good. Adding options at the table level is hard.
Removing options at the system level is bad. Removing options at the table level is easy.
This is not complicated.
Something like Tactical Shift is more magical than martial healing.
Telling someone to move over a few feet is magical now? :|
I weep for this generation.
Given the laziness and morbid obsesity amongst D&Ders, being able to convince someone to get on their feet, do some heavy exercise, and use their words to make them be healthier must seem magical.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 3:39PM
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Its been stated before but the 3 iconic classes that I think deserve to be in the php would have to be the barbarian, bard and sorcerer. I know its off topic and will make the 4e peeps flame me, but it wouldn't bother me if they didn't include the warlock and warlord. This might just be my nostalgia for the 3rd edition php.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 3:39PM
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Swordmage is the thing I wanna see the most. I like the magical sword guy archetype, and its never been supported in a PHB1 class before.
Bard could weld sword and cast Spell in AD&D 2nd edition Player's Handbook :P
Bards have always wielded sword and cast spell, but the spells were always held distinct from their swordplay. If it looked like the 3e bard, then I wouldn't really put it into the archetype I'm talking about. I haven't seen the 2e bard, so I don't know for sure though.
To me, there's a big difference between being a person who sometimes casts spells and sometimes swings a sword (multiclass wizard/fighter, for instance) and a true swordmage who casts a spell by swinging the sword, using magic to empower his attacks and his attacks to empower his magic.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 4:21PM
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Psionics are in the 1st Ed PHB, though, but no psionic class.
Not sure to understand ... was the Psionic Class ever published in a PH1 or not ?
Psion/Psionicist, as a class, did not exist until 2E. The 1E PHB has rules for 'wild talents', where any character has the ability to manifest a few minor (or a lot of major, as the case may be, depending on how many nat 100's you roll) psionic powers. I don't recall whether or not they mentioned having a psionic class in Next.
I did miss the 'magical sword guy' class. That'd be a nice thing to have included.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 4:25PM
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Swordmage is the thing I wanna see the most. I like the magical sword guy archetype, and its never been supported in a PHB1 class before.
Bard could weld sword and cast Spell in AD&D 2nd edition Player's Handbook :P

Yeah....not at all the same sorta thing :P
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 6:32PM
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For reference...
All PHB1 classes includes:
Assassin (1E as Thief subclass) Barbarian (3E) Bard (1E as a pseudo prestige class, 2E as part of the Rogue group, 3E) Cleric (1E, 2E as part of the Priest group, 3E, 4E) Druid (1E as Cleric subclass, 2E as an example of a priest of a specific mythos, 3E) Fighter (1E, 2E as part of the Warrior group, 3E, 4E) Illusionist (1E as Magic-User subclass, 2E as an example of wizard specialists) Monk (1E, 3E) Paladin (1E as Fighter subclass, 2E as part of the Warrior group, 3E, 4E) Ranger (1E as Fighter subclass, 2E as part of the Warrior group, 3E, 4E) Rogue (1E as Thief, 2E as Thief [as part of the Rogue group], 3E, 4E) Sorcerer (3E) Warlock (4E) Warlord (4E) Wizard (1E as Magic-User, 2E as Mage [as part of the Wizard group], 3E, 4E)
Psionics (1E as a power set available to any character who qualified) Wizard Specialists (Abjurer, Conjurer, Diviner, Enchanter, Illusionist, Invoker, Necromancer, Transmuter) (2E, 3E)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 6:36PM
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Swordmage and Avenger.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 6:40PM
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May 24, 2012
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Gunmage from Iron Kingdoms.......pretty pretty please
Always excuse the spelling, and personal opinions are just that personal and opinions. Getting Down with the playtesting of 5th http://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29139253/Complilation_of_Playtest_Feedback Compilation of Feedback post /bump please
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