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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 4:50PM
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Mar 23, 2012
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I have been playing a Fighter in a three people group, as the main melee/defender (an Avenger being the second melee), and i have to admit i have failed horribly at building my character. I will not get into details on how much fail, but lets just say i get beat up more often than the Avenger is. Thus, i decided to rebuild my character. I have come up with a Fighter build, and i would like opinions on if it is going ok. I have also considered going Berserker (Arid Desert because thematically i would like my character to wear cloth), but i do not know if he is equal, superior or inferior to a fighter in terms of defending while damaging. Fighter: Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 6 Longtooth Shifter, Fighter
Fighter: Combat Superiority
Fighter Talents: Two-handed Weapon Talent
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 19, Con 11, Dex 13, Int 10, Wis 19, Cha 8.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 11, Dex 13, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8.
AC: 24 Fort: 19 Reflex: 14 Will: 19
HP: 56 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 14
TRAINED SKILLS Intimidate +7, Endurance +10, Athletics +14
UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +4, Arcana +3, Bluff +2, Diplomacy +2, Dungeoneering +7, Heal +7, History +3, Insight +7, Nature +7, Perception +7, Religion +3, Stealth +4, Streetwise +2, Thievery +4
FEATS Level 1: Improved Initiative
Level 2: Superior Will
Level 4: Weapon Proficiency (Fullblade)
Level 6: Heavy Armor Agility
POWERS
Fighter at-will 1: Footwork Lure
Fighter at-will 1: Cleave
Fighter encounter 1: Hack and Hew
Fighter daily 1: Lasting Threat
Fighter utility 2: Battle Fury Stance
Fighter encounter 3: Dance of Steel
Fighter daily 5: Nimble Bladestorm
Fighter utility 6: Ignore Weakness
ITEMS Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier), Magic Drakescale Armor +2, Shielding Blade Fullblade +1 Any comment, idea, suggestion and advice is welcome. The only things set is my race and a heavy blade waepon. Also i would like to stick with one of these two classes, deviation is not that welcome. Thanks.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 4:52PM
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Sep 17, 2007
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'I get beat up more often than the Avenger is'
That's failing on a defender? Since when?
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 4:56PM
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Mar 23, 2012
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I do not mean the focus, but the fact that the avenger has a better Armor Class than me.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:01PM
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Depending on who you talk to, Fighter is either the best class in 4e, or just one of the best classes in 4e. It has solid powers and more support than anything else.
Berserker can be perfectly serviceable, but if you're talking optimization, Fighter is going to win out.
You're going to want Expertise before any of those feats you took.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:05PM
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Nov 16, 2010
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Not trying to be rude, but... why a fullblade? Spend that feat slot on a bastard sword, lose a bit of damage for the ability to carry a shield (will help out your terrible reflex as well). You'll lose 1 average damage on a swing, and high crit, which overall is very little damage. Your d5... I'd need a pretty big reason to not take rain of steel.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:09PM
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More of a personal whim, i dislike shields in general.
Also i used rain of steel on my current character, i have to admit that either i misjudged when to use it or it is not as good as it seems (probably misjudged its usage though).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:15PM
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Jul 16, 2010
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Berserker is a Striker that happens to have a pair of Defender features for some reason. Anyway, your AC is low because of your fullblade. If you're set on it (i.e., you don't want to swap for either a one-hander or a polearm), you should consider upgrading to plate.
Bastard Swords aren't worth the feat, though, so don't bother with one if you decide to go one-handed and pick up a shield.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:15PM
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Shields offer a ton of defensive potential, and great feat/power support for a fighter. While you can do good damage as a fighter, don't get fooled into thinking that's your priority. Your job is to defend, and shields help you stick around longer in the fight.
If you're dead set against a shield, you might consider hybrid Cleric | Fighter. There are a lot of strength based weapon powers from the cleric list, and you'll get access to Battle Cleric's Lore to patch your AC and scale proficiency, and a heal you can use on yourself if needed. Both classes have copious amounts of feat and power support.
This is CharOp. We not only assume block-of-tofu monsters, but also block-of-tofu DMs.
One reach cheese'd threatening reach Spiked Chain shuts down any non-teleporting quarterback.
You're already refluffing, what not refluff to something that doesn't suck?
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:24PM
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Mar 23, 2012
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The Avenger asked if he could multiclass into cleric and get Battle Cleric's Lore instead of Hearler's lore. If that passes, should i just get that feat too to get a +2 shield bonus? A greatspear is not out of the question though.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 5:25PM
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You really don't need all that Wis. As a fighter, your primary stat is STR, and wis and dex kind of rank as double-secondaries unless you're going very build-specific. Your wis will help you if you spend a lot of feats on it, but right now it's mostly just giving you bonuses to combat superiority. As good as combat superiority is, you need some dex to give you a decent init (admittedly addressable with battle-wise, but also) and you need it to boost your pathetic reflex. Fighter is one of the few classes in 4e who'se not done a huge disservice by having some spread out scores. I'de suggest something more like this for your level 1 scores, and then dropping your boost into wis and STR. FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 19, CON 11, DEX 16, INT 8, WIS 16, CHA 10
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 16, CON 11, DEX 16, INT 8, WIS 13, CHA 10
This will let you qualify for both the superior defense feats in will (Superior Will, which is absolutely awesome), and Superior Reflexes (which is also pretty nice) later in your career. The dex gives you a decent bonus to AC as well, meaning that it might become more worthwhile to downgrade to hide if you decided to go a more dex-y build (say, taking a race that goes STR/DEX.)
You also will qualify for a lot of really good martial feats with 16 dex.
The Avenger asked if he could multiclass into cleric and get Battle Cleric's Lore instead of Hearler's lore. If that passes, should i just get that feat too to get a +2 shield bonus? A greatspear is not out of the question though.
Yeah, most DMs let you swap the features out, even though Character Builder doesn't let you. Issue there is that you're still left with a piss-poor reflex. because battle-cleric's only works on AC.
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