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That is extremely misleading hup, bordering on a bold faced lie. U can access and use the table free of charge. U can import cb pcs free of charge. U are given all level one and two monster access free of charge. U are given the wilderness and dungeon tile sets free of charge. I have ten plus players in two campaigns that have never payed a thin dime to use the table. Ask them if its a value compared to ddi. That said, yes u can pay for storage and extra features; wow what a shocker! Regardless, all a dm has to do is keep their table open under the campaign manager and u basically store ur campaign for free. Don't believe me? I invite any and all to follow the link in my signature and see for yourself how flat out wrong and misleading hups post is. We would love to have more players join the community. When ddi gets shut off, u can still import ur pcs from ur cpu, even from the old offline cb, and access all 4e monster data. If u just want to play, u will never have to spend a penny, so don't believe the lies

Nov 3, 2012 -- 7:56AM, hup wrote:

Despite being a subscriber I recieved no notification of the VTT being sold off.

So now I can still use the product I (through subscription) helped pay to develop if I am willing to pay another company as well.

Thanks WotC I didn't see the ability to get me to pay for something twice coming.

Gametableonline have picked it up and are SELLING it. In order to use it you have to spend more money. It works out about a lot more expensive than a DDI account.

View my response to hup's "math" here.

Nov 4, 2012 -- 9:29PM, hup wrote:

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i just want every forum-goer that reads this to know, this guy is completely full of crap. you NEVER EVER need to pay to play on the table. EVER. likewise, you NEVER EVER need to pay to DM. They give you two levels of monsters FREE. They give you tiles FREE. You can pull PCs in from your CPU FREE. If you want to access all of the monster data, you can pay for it, WHAT A SHOCKER; a one time charge for all of the monsters that you are paying monthly for right now! and if and when ddi is cancelled, you still have them; you arent completely screwed like you would have been otherwise. and hups...mad about that? If the two bits is really breaking your bank, you can input monsters manually; thats what we did for A WHOLE FREAKING YEAR when wizards ran it. copy/pasting a sessions worth of monsters takes TEN MINUTES AT MOST. cry me a river.

this guy has no idea what he is talking about; i beg any readers to please ignore these blatant lies. if anyone simply checks it out for themselves, they will see that i am telling the plain and honest truth. see for yourself.

if you like you can pm me and i will give you a free tour of the table.

Nov 4, 2012 -- 9:29PM, hup wrote:

To actually use the VTT at GameTableOnline you NEED access to monsters above 2nd level - unless you play a very limited campaign where no one advances.

Not really.  I ran paragon games on the VT Beta before we had the ability to import monsters, and I could easily do it again.  you don't NEEDaccess to higher level monsters, they just make things more convenient.  

So here is some basic maths: Cost of VTT as part of DDI subscription = $0.00, cost to actually use it at GameTableOnline minimum of $8+ therefore they are selling it.

$8 >> $0 therefore it costs me more.

I will further point out that a DDI account costs $70 annually and GTO account costs $96 annually

www.rpgtableonline.com/market/premium.ph... << not free
 
www.rpgtableonline.com/market/store.php << not free

Cost of RPGTO to use is a minimum of $0

One doesn't NEED a Premium subscription to play or DM, and few people actually subscribe.  You don't NEED to spend out of pocket cash to acquire GTO gold to unlock some of the optional conveniences.  There are free offers that you can use to acquire it.  Do enough of them over time, and you can buy every tile, token and optional convenience without ever spending a dime of real money

spending real money gets these optional offerings faster, and makes things more convenient, but they are far from REQUIRED

First the VTT was added to DDI *free* - it cost nothing.

False. It came with the DDI subscription, but that doesn't make it free.

Actually (as I have explained before) I had a DDI subscription BEFORE the VTT, the VTT was added to my subscription at NO ADDITIONAL COST therefore to me it was free. Did WotC increase the cost of DDI when they added VTT or was it added free? Second again as I have pointed out before NO you didn't need to have a DDI subscription to play games on the VTT, you had an invite system.

However if you want access to monsters above 2nd level you need to pay extra. [snip] so the assertion that you can run campaigns for free is false.

False. It just means you can't import pre-made monsters.

I still assert no one is running a campaign without access to monster data. Claiming you ran an adventure or two without access by typing in monster data is you trying to deceive people. No one I have spoken to who uses the RPGTO who RUNS campaigns does so without access to monster data. Can you? That is not the point the point is I had this functionality they now charge me for it.

Paying for the right to use tile sets I have already paid WotC for also feels like I am being charged twice.

What tile sets have you already paid for? I thought you said the VT was completely free? Besides, you GET two tile sets for free on the GTO VT that are the equivalent of what was available from WotC.

"Feels" like I am paying twice I paid WotC for the ACTUAL tiles and then have to pay to use them in another format. No wait I can scan my tiles and upload them to the RPGTO, yes but once again they CHARGE me for that as well. Actually we HAD three tile sets on the VTT, I believe you still get three on RPGTO.

To actually use the VTT at GameTableOnline you NEED access to monsters above 2nd level - unless you play a very limited campaign where no one advances.

False.

Actually to use the VTT (as it worked when it was the VTT) I still assert you need monsters and again the data proves this because everyone USING it to RUN a campaign has access to monster data. For me monsters above 2nd level are necessary to run a campaign. Yes we had this in the VTT now it costs money. As I have shown many times in the past. Maybe it is my opinion that you need monster to play DnD; but I think it's a fairly common opinion.

cost to actually use it at GameTableOnline minimum of $8+ therefore they are selling it.

False.

Here is a link to their website with their own charges. www.rpgtableonline.com/market/store.php If they are not selling it why do they have a store? The minimum cost to use RPGTO as the VTT will be actually quite a bit higher - I was working on the minimum to make it it usable to most people.

Yep, looks like lies and misinformation to me.

So I have misinformed people by providing links and actual examples? And I have lied because you misinterpreted what I actually wrote?

You don't know what you're talking about. And we, the people who have actually tried RPGTO, have the real facts. Here's a few.

• On GTO, you can play and run games 100% free, no subscription required. The WotC VT was DDI-only. DDI isn't free.
• On GTO, you can start a campaign, invite all your friends to play, and they can do so 100% free, no subscription required. Back on WotC's VT, it was completely unreasonable to invite your friends to play, requiring them to subscribe just for a weekly game.

This is an outright lie. First you do have to subscribe to GTO in order to use the RPGTO, yes subscribing to their website is free and no you don't need a premium subscription. Second yes I could invite my non-DDI friends to play on the VTT and no they didn't require a DDI subscription. Third I do know what I am talking about I have used RPGTO.

• On GTO, you can, OPTIONALLY, purchase tile sets and tokens, many of which were never available before. We never had such options on WotC's VT.
• With a GTO subscription, you can even share maps and adventures. WotC took that feature away from us entirely. GTO gave it back.
• GTO is actively working on improving the VT and adding new content. WotC let the VT fester and rot completely.

These are all valid points but I never said they didn't in fact in pretty much every post I commended them for improving the VTT.

This is to educate the uninformed. This is not to convince you, hup, as you've obviously made up your mind. But at least stop spreading misinformation.

If your goal is to educate you must present an unbiased view - you have not done so. I repeat I am not spreading misinformation, I am presenting facts. People are free to follow the links to know what they have to pay for AND what they get for free, BEFORE signing up.

Further on my previous comment on getting GTO gold free through offers I can update people on my progress:
In just over a day of grinding gold I have accumulated 61 GTO gold. (135 needed to get 1 tier of monsters, or 300 to get all three)

However using "offers" I have also encountered at least one trojan (easily stopped by having current AVG anti-virus free edition), and several offers that don't pay out even if you go through them. I would like to clarify this is not GameTableOnline's fault (directly), the 3rd party company they use to process the "free offers" (RadiumOne) is at fault. I have reported the trojan to RadiumOne - if you are grinding free gold at GTO do NOT click on the "Gimp image editing software" offer - it doesn't install Gimp it installs a trojan.

While this is not GameTableOnline they really should try to make sure the company they sub-contract to is reliable and safe for their customers, IMHO.

Last let me say I recommend people DO check out GameTableOnline.com if they are interested in the VTT. The company is doing a lot of work to update and improve the VTT. Just be aware that the improvements cost money and make sure you understand what you are and are not getting for free.

Good luck, good gaming and good bye.