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Ranged Rangers are at their best up-close, shooting people in the face.  If you want to play one from range, leaning towards more control would work.  Twin Strike isn't bad for popping minions. 

They have to train in dungeoneering or nature, so you can be an urban ranger if you like.

@Kosh:  No reason for a rogue not to use daggers at any range.

Jul 14, 2012 -- 10:45AM, mattador666 wrote:

@Kosh: No reason for a rogue not to use daggers at any range.

Granted that most do not think of the sling as a "good" weapon.  But if you choose to use a sling, you can really beef it up and be able to use it in melee range safely.  Not saying it is "optimal" but it would be bad to discount it.

Deadeye Slinger = +3 prof, high crit
Daring Slinger(PP)= +2/4 damage, good 3 target encounter power at 11
Sharpshooter Talent(Class Feature) = +1 to hit with slings
Sling Expertise = +1/2/3 attack, no OAs for making ranged/area attacks with slings

So if you really wanted to go slings, you are looking at a weapon that is +6 attack, 1d6+2, high crit, and you can get sneak attack damage with it at paragon.

Daggers are still good for them even in this build for melee it is just that you would miss out on +1 attack from the class feature, and you would most likely not have nimble blade, though you might have light blade expertise.

I just started playing 4th about a month ago. And here's what I've learned: the player's handbook and Essentials lines seem really different. I've gotten by really well with PHB1, PHB2, Martial Powers, Adventurer's Vault, and I was also curious about Essentials, picking up Fallen Lands. I've been playing Encounters,which I would suggest to wet your appetite until you find a DM. I might also suggest the Rules Compendium book, but my fellow players have helped me re-learn things that have changed.

I like the PHBs because it gives you the base info, with a good smattering of abilities, magic items, etc. I like Essentials because the PHB layout makes no sense at all for building a character, unlike previous edition PHBs. Essentials only gives you a strictly-defined specialty class. Because of your interest in Rangers and Rogues, I think Martial Powers is a great pickup. Fighters are also great strikers. Plus, if your team needs a defender or healer, this book has the most options. PHB2 has a good number of races and other striker classes. Adventurer's Vault is all about magic items, and will really make a difference.

Since I've come into this edition so late, I think these books will give you plenty of flexability for any characters that you'll want to play until the next edition comes out (which seems to be about a year or so from now).

Duke, serious, recommending someone to play a hunter? You want him to have a good time, right ?

Please do not worry new players with your hangups. Not all roles are needed, not all classes adhere to the role given by WotC.

 

The only part of your text I would wish to repeat is :"With that said, it is most important to play something you'll enjoy and the other players will enjoy having in the party"

Thanks everyone. I think i'm leaning more and more towards a hunter, though playing a mischievous wizard sounds amusing as well, though the only real appeal to the class is the cantrips. Other than that, the more I read and look at ranger the more I like it.

As for race...I'm having trouble deciding. Halfling or Gnome sounds fun, maybe human. Elf has the best stats for a hunter but at the same time I'm not sure I would enjoy playing an elf that much...granted not all evles fit into the standard elven stero-type, there's still alot of negitive feelings towards them. Could I can an outsiders opinion?

Also, For my build. I definately want ranged attacks but I also want to focus on survival (amazing damage is useless if you're bleeding to death)

Granted, I want a decent amount of damage blended it as well. Any suggestions for a build like that? in terms of stats, feats, and abilties?