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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 1:32PM
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Hi all. So I'm interested in Vampire. I've played two one shots eith a Vampire, and I enjoyed both. This one would be part of a Campaign. The party right now is bow ranger, shaman, and berzerker. I figured with the cavalier MC, I could do some semi-decent off tanking and okay damage. The character is the owner of a speakeasy in the 1920's. I'm not opposed to playing something else, but I'm pretty married to Charisma, and I'm having trouble finding anything that would use that and still fit my playstyle. I tried building a few Warlocks but they're all too squishy or imobile, or have too much emphasis on range. And I will never ever play another Assassin. Hexblade might work but I'm already playing a Hexblade in another campaign and don't really wish to build another. Help would be appreciated!!
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 2:13PM
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what level? what help do you need? ive seen some decent hybrid vamp/cavs but if youre playing low level straight up vamps then you just need the basic feats, ki focus expertise, superior implement training (accurate ki focus), implement focus, and then see how it plays
race-wise, i prefer to use humans to get heroic effort and the extra feat, just boost charisma to 20 (+2 from racial bump) with a 14 dex. youre pretty fragile by nature but thats life as a vamp
thats my input at least
if on the other hand you want to HYBRID vamp/cav, one of your feats will be hybrid talent to get all the cav armor. its up to you but it 'drains' some of the power from the vamp (pun intended)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 4:17PM
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here is my level 1 vamp Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Vlad, level 1 Human, Vampire Harper Pin Option: Lliira's Grace Human Power Selection Option: Heroic Effort Born Under a Bad Sign (Born Under a Bad Sign Benefit) Theme: Harper Agent FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 10, DEX 20, INT 10, WIS 9, CHA 14 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 10, DEX 18, INT 10, WIS 9, CHA 14 AC: 17 Fort: 12 Ref: 16 Will: 14 HP: 32 Surges: 2 Surge Value: 8 TRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +10, Athletics +5, Bluff +7, Diplomacy +7, Thievery +10 UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +0, Dungeoneering –1, Endurance +0, Heal –1, History +0, Insight –1, Intimidate +2, Nature –1, Perception –1, Religion +0, Stealth +5, Streetwise +2 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Human Racial Power: Heroic Effort Vampire Attack: Blood Drinker Vampire Attack 1: Swarm of Shadows Vampire Attack 1: Dark Beckoning Vampire Attack 1: Taste of Life Vampire Attack 1: Vampire Slam FEATS Level 1: Superior Implement Training (Accurate ki focus) Level 1: Ki Focus Expertise ITEMS Harper Pin Accurate ki focus x1 Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) x1 Adventurer's Kit Thieves' Tools Climber's Kit ====== End ====== here is my level 12 Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Vlad, level 12 Human, Vampire, Adroit Explorer Harper Pin Option: Lliira's Grace Harper Pin Option: Tymora's Luck Ambitious Effort Option: Ambitious Effort Existing Power Human Power Selection Option: Heroic Effort Born Under a Bad Sign (Born Under a Bad Sign Benefit) Theme: Harper Agent FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 11, CON 12, DEX 22, INT 12, WIS 10, CHA 18 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 11, DEX 17, INT 11, WIS 9, CHA 15 AC: 29 Fort: 24 Ref: 28 Will: 28 HP: 89 Surges: 4 Surge Value: 22 TRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +17, Athletics +11, Bluff +15, Diplomacy +15, Thievery +17 UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +7, Dungeoneering +6, Endurance +7, Heal +6, History +7, Insight +6, Intimidate +10, Nature +6, Perception +6, Religion +7, Stealth +12, Streetwise +10 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Human Racial Power: Heroic Effort Vampire Attack: Blood Drinker Vampire Attack 1: Swarm of Shadows Vampire Attack 1: Dark Beckoning Vampire Attack 1: Taste of Life Vampire Attack 1: Vampire Slam Acrobatics Utility 2: Agile Recovery Human Utility 2: Extra Effort Vampire Attack 3: Feral Assault Vampire Attack 5: Unfettered Hunger Acrobatics Utility 6: Tumbling Dodge Vampire Attack 9: Domineering Gaze Vampire Utility 10: Gaseous Form Adroit Explorer Utility 12: Destined for Greatness FEATS Level 1: Superior Implement Training (Accurate ki focus) Level 1: Ki Focus Expertise Level 2: Implement Focus (Ki focuses) Level 4: Improved Initiative Level 6: Improved Defenses Level 8: Resilient Focus Level 10: Durable Level 11: Cunning Stalker Level 12: Unarmored Agility ITEMS Harper Pin Adventurer's Kit Thieves' Tools Climber's Kit Siberys Shard of the Mage (heroic tier) Horned Helm (heroic tier) x1 Cascading Strikes Accurate ki focus +3 x1 Badge of the Berserker +3 x1 Magic Kestrekel Feather Armor +3 x1 Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier) x1 Gauntlets of Blood (heroic tier) x1 Belt of Lucky Strikes x1 ====== End ======
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 7:15PM
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Mar 25, 2008
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Okay, now that I'm not on my phone... What I'm looking for is an effective melee/caster type. I initially went with vampire because I enjoy the whole balancing of healing surges, but I know they lose steam later in life (By the way, this is going to be at level 7). Essentially, there's not a whole lot of reason to play a Vampire over a Charisma monk, unless you want to be really effective at not dying. The Charisma Monk does everything else better, it just doesn't have the ridiculous tenacity of a Vampire. But I thought about the Warlock. This character is supposed to be sort of a dark type. Imagine the seedy businessman who makes you feel like you just made a deal with the devil. That's my character. Practitioner of dark magic, but generally keeps to himself at his establishment. Wears an enigmatic grin, and always has something up his sleeve. That's what I'm imagining. I toyed around with a couple of Warlock builds alongside the Vampire, and I just can't really come up with anything that sticks. It always feels like its missing something. Part of my issue is I'm afraid of creating something that ends up being too similar to our Berzerker (strikey/defendery). That being said I appreciate the builds froth.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 7:32PM
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youre welcome
for an effective melee/caster feel, something that might not immediately come to mind is an invoker. with staff expertise you do not provoke attacks in melee, you have better than average starting armor, and it fits the 'deal with the devil' flavor somewhat, perhaps not as dead on as the warlock, but certainly can fit...calling up something you shouldnt have
it isnt really charisma based though, but it accomplishes a lot of what you wanted. just a thought
i like playing warlocks too though, nothing wrong with them at all. maybe you could try the newish hexblade; as you are likely aware, its a more melee-based warlock, same kind of flavor
good luck!
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11 months ago ::
Jul 16, 2012 - 10:38PM
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11 months ago ::
Jul 16, 2012 - 10:54PM
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Melee striker with CHA?
Barbarian|Cleric, Str/Cha. Sorc|Barb. Sorc|Exe or Rogue. This'd be Dex/Cha. Pure Sorc, focus on close bursts/blasts. Dragon works great for this. Eldritch strike Warlock. Warlock|Swormdage. Thief. You have no secondary, go Dex/Cha for the social skills. Done.
Those range from optimal to decent. Really more than a dozen options. All of them better than Vampire.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 12:43AM
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Feb 23, 2012
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Cha based melee attacker. Still can use a neck piece to raise fort/ref/will, armor to raise AC.
====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== level 7 Tiefling, Warlock Eldritch Pact Option: Sorcerer-King Pact Eldritch Strike Option: Eldritch Strike Charisma Proficiency: Implement Proficiency (Staff) Proficiency: Weapon Proficiency (Rapier) Gritty Sergeant (Gritty Sergeant Benefit) Theme: Elemental Initiate FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 17, DEX 12, INT 14, WIS 8, CHA 19 STARTING ABILITY SCORES STR 10, CON 16, DEX 12, INT 12, WIS 8, CHA 16 AC: 15 Fort: 16 Ref: 16 Will: 18 HP: 59 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 14 TRAINED SKILLS Arcana +10, Bluff +14, History +10, Insight +7, Streetwise +12, Thievery +9 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +4, Athletics +3, Diplomacy +7, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance +6, Heal +2, Intimidate +7, Nature +2, Perception +2, Religion +5, Stealth +6 POWERS Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack Elemental Initiate Attack: Disciplined Counter Warlock's Curse Power: Warlock's Curse Feat Utility: Warlock's Wrath Warlock Attack 1: Eldritch Strike Warlock Attack 1: Hand of Blight Warlock Attack 1: Cruel Bounty Warlock Attack 1: Decree of Khirad Warlock Utility 2: Assassin's Bane Warlock Attack 3: Sinister Extraction Warlock Attack 5: Emerald Shield Elemental Initiate Utility 6: Restoring Touch Warlock Attack 7: Touch of Command FEATS Level 1: Mindbite Scorn Level 2: White Lotus Dueling Expertise Level 4: Blade Initiate Level 6: Warlock's Wrath ITEMS Lesser Cloaked Rapier +2 ====== End ======
Every power there allows you to use it either in melee or is a close attack. Assassin's Bane allows you to lock out forms of movement which would fit for someone running a speak easy. The Lesser Cloaked Rapier allows you to hide that you carry a weapon so most patrons do not know you are armed. Blade Initiate allows you to use your rapier as your implement. Eldritch Strike is a melee attack that replaces your MBA.
This is just something I threw together fast. Most of the spells are melee touch or close and are based on cha. Once you hit 11, you can twofold pact into infernal and start gaining temp hp when your pact boon goes off which will make you a little tougher.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 1:47AM
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The Iconic VampireOn Vampire Optimization If you really want to be a vampire that much, just do something else and multiclass.I don't always play strikers... but when I do, I prefer literally anything besides Vampire. Stay thirsty, my friends.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 1:55AM
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I bow sir. I bow.
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