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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 8:24AM
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Ehh, the anime thing is where I draw the line. I don't mind some of the more cartoon-y artwork but I loath anime. I know that's not the case for all (or even most?) D&D players, but anime is such a niche genre and fanbase I can't support its inclusion in the D&D books.
What's the matter, you dissentious rogues,
That rubbing the poor itch of your opinion
Make yourselves scabs?
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 9:14AM
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Just a couple more things from me. Nudity in D&D? Why not? But, it depends how its portrayed. If it's shown as part of the art/natural beauty a la classical art, why not? But, if it's hot poses and other nonsense... not so much. I find the chainmail bikini/not-even-loincloth (for guys) to be silly. Perhaps in downtime this is acceptable, but the outside world is dangerous! If you're only wearing enough cloth to cover various areas, you're in trouble compared to the person whose equiped with more armor. Now, as for "anime". It's not a genre, it's a form of animation... or really an umbrella term for eastern animation typically from Japan. Now, some art within a proper D&D genre wouldn't be bad at all, it'd be great! Not to mention, many anime artists have crafted beautiful works of out that help to embody the fantastic (Miyazaki is a good example.) Now, before you shout "Weeaboo Fightan Magic" at me, do a little research
Disgruntled ghost of the Knights of W.T.F.
(Keep D&D alive, end the edition wars!)
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Disclaimer: Most of my posts are based on opinions (and are sometimes humorous, other times inspirational)
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:02AM
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Ehh, the anime thing is where I draw the line. I don't mind some of the more cartoon-y artwork but I loath anime. I know that's not the case for all (or even most?) D&D players, but anime is such a niche genre and fanbase I can't support its inclusion in the D&D books.
Anime and cartoony wouldn't be my first choices, but I could put up with them if there's enough people interested in including them.
Foglio did the art for GURPS IOU and it matched the tone of the game perfectly. I don't think it would have worked as well for GURPS Black Ops.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:11AM
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Not to mention, many anime artists have crafted beautiful works of out that help to embody the fantastic (Miyazaki is a good example.) Now, before you shout "Weeaboo Fightan Magic" at me, do a little research
I don't have to research what aesthetic I find appealing, because it's an opinion. If you like anime "style" (sorry for using the word "genre" - didn't realize it was going to incite such a fervent response), that's fine. I do not, nor would I like to see it in the D&D books. What I should have said, is I find anime to be a rather polarizing style: as in you like it or you don't. Because I personally do not like it, I would say I do not want to see it in the D&D books. It was meant as a comparison to the early discussion about the more exotic or high fantasy aspects of the game, that I also don't really care for but can occasionally find some of it that I enjoy and thus would still like to see it included.
I'm not saying anime sucks and I'm not saying if it's in the books I would flat out refuse to buy them (particularly if it's not entirely anime style) all I said was because I find it to be polarizing, I personally would not like to see it included. Savvy?
What's the matter, you dissentious rogues,
That rubbing the poor itch of your opinion
Make yourselves scabs?
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:15AM
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snipp
Dragon: I'd rather go the other way around, if forced to choose.
you talking to me here???
you'd rather have the class art??? the single arts??
its all meh though. I'd prefer a full page art of each race's sub groups, ethinc groups. though in humans it would hav et o be limited anyway.....
or have only two and have them covered from head to toe in armor that you can't tell where they came from until of course you get to the setting books and it shows off their ethnic groups of humans and all what not.
but really thats going to be no worst than havimng to sit through another that company abc could/should ddo this becuase its the right thing to do discussion, which this is not one so anybody who reads this post, don't take it the wrong way.....
anime art in dnd????? ick I'll put my foot down and not buy it. If I want anime art, I know where to go find beyond anima...
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:23AM
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This is supposed to be an art appreciation thread. Can we keep the politics out of it, please?
Thanks,
Why are you saying thanks, when we haven't granted your "request" yet?
Anyway, nothing wrong with a bit of titillation in D&D (it's good enough for advertising), totally healthy.
Zerro is right. This is a thread about art, please keep responses on topic. Politics ends threads.
On topic, titillation is perfectly possible without stupid art. Chainmail bikinis are stupid.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:27AM
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snipp
Dragon: I'd rather go the other way around, if forced to choose.
you talking to me here???
you'd rather have the class art??? the single arts??
its all meh though. I'd prefer a full page art of each race's sub groups, ethinc groups. though in humans it would hav et o be limited anyway.....
or have only two and have them covered from head to toe in armor that you can't tell where they came from until of course you get to the setting books and it shows off their ethnic groups of humans and all what not.
but really thats going to be no worst than havimng to sit through another that company abc could/should ddo this becuase its the right thing to do discussion, which this is not one so anybody who reads this post, don't take it the wrong way.....
anime art in dnd????? ick I'll put my foot down and not buy it. If I want anime art, I know where to go find beyond anima...
Yes, I'd rather have class art than race art if, for some reason, I had to choose between them.
And you feel about anime art as I feel about a book full of 1e style black and white art. I can play the system without taking up space on my shelves with books I won't enjoy looking through. I won't spend money on low production value black and white cheap books unless it's some super indie game without the funding needed to even print in color, and then it had better be a damned low price.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:31AM
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Not to mention, many anime artists have crafted beautiful works of out that help to embody the fantastic (Miyazaki is a good example.) Now, before you shout "Weeaboo Fightan Magic" at me, do a little research
I don't have to research what aesthetic I find appealing, because it's an opinion. If you like anime "style" (sorry for using the word "genre" - didn't realize it was going to incite such a fervent response), that's fine. I do not, nor would I like to see it in the D&D books. What I should have said, is I find anime to be a rather polarizing style: as in you like it or you don't. Because I personally do not like it, I would say I do not want to see it in the D&D books. It was meant as a comparison to the early discussion about the more exotic or high fantasy aspects of the game, that I also don't really care for but can occasionally find some of it that I enjoy and thus would still like to see it included.
I'm not saying anime sucks and I'm not saying if it's in the books I would flat out refuse to buy them (particularly if it's not entirely anime style) all I said was because I find it to be polarizing, I personally would not like to see it included. Savvy?
Loud and clear now. I sometimes misread into things... Didn't mean to sound defensive there. After rereading, I feel quite stupid now. Everyone has their own aesthetic and perhaps such a jump in art style would be best in a supplement. I can also agree on the conflict between the standard fantasy to the the uber-exotic in art and seemingly out of place weird concepts.
Disgruntled ghost of the Knights of W.T.F.
(Keep D&D alive, end the edition wars!)
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Disclaimer: Most of my posts are based on opinions (and are sometimes humorous, other times inspirational)
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 10:59AM
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On topic, titillation is perfectly possible without stupid art. Chainmail bikinis are stupid.
Chainmail bikinis aren't stupid, they're just eminently impractical as armor. However, why not include it? Fantasy covers the gamut of styles, after-all. So long as they balance the chainmail/scalemail-bikini clad women with 300 style or loincloth-clad male warriors, I see it as just an example of what's thematically possible.
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The above picture was in a Dragon's Eye View article called Appropriate Armor. Personally, I'd love to see this for every piece of armor in the books. That is to say, I'd like the page depicting armor art in the PHB to present us with three images per armor, one in each of these styles. That way, we are free to make up our own minds about what style we prefer to see in our games.
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 15, 2012 - 11:02AM
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Zerro is right. This is a thread about art, please keep responses on topic. Politics ends threads.
You are both wrong, there was nothing actually political in any of the posts so far, look for an argument elsewhere.
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