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11 months ago  ::  Jul 16, 2012 - 1:26AM #11
DavidArgall
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   Get it down to 50 lines [if only so it can fit in one column] and we will talk [mostly about how it is too long and complex, but...]
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 4:11AM #12
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Okay, I get back at this but first I have catch up with a couple of other things.


Until then, here take a look at the Supernatural version of this same monster that I'm in the process of ironing out the details for a stats card for her.  
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 27, 2012 - 12:58AM #13
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This is where I'm at so far:
 
Alluring Mimicry Level 15 Controller
  meduim immortal humanoid (devil, shapechanger) XP 1200
Initiative +13 Senses Perception +12;   Darkvision
HP 140; Bloodied 70
AC 29; Fortitude 25, Reflex 27, Will 29
Resist 20 fire
Speed 6, fly 6
Traits
Charmed Advantage
Effect: Creatures that are chaos-touched grants combat advantage and when hit with a charm keyword attack by alluring mimicry takes an additional 1d10 psychic damage and becomes marked until the end of the encounter.
Alluring Vertigo
Effect: Marked targets by alluring mimicry when target by her powers may be slid up to three squares toward or three squares away from alluring mimicry and is dazed until the start of target’s next turn.
Standard Actions
Corrupting Scent (standard, at-will) Charm, Poison
Area burst 2 (all creatures in burst)  +17 vs Will; and target is blinded until the end of the turn; 1d10+6 psychic damage and target is chaos-touched (save ends). 
(This power doesn’t provoke opportunity and counts as a basic attack with reach.)
Corrupting Snare (standard, at-will) Psychic, Charm
Ranged 5 (one creature) Attack: +17 vs Will and target is blinded until the start of target next turn; On the hit Target   takes 10 psychic damage and is chaos-touched (save ends). 
(This power is a basic ranged attack.)
Forced Loyalties (standard, Recharge when secondary target of this power saves) Reliable, Charm, Psychic, Necrotic
Range 10; (Primary attack targets one creature that is marked.)
  Primary Attack: Auto-hit; and target is blinded until the end of the turn.
  Primary Effect: Target loses a healing surge and alluring mimicry may make the following secondary attack that may use the primary target’s occupied square as this secondary’s attack’s origin:
  Melee or Ranged 5 (one creature)
  Secondary Attack: If secondary target is chaos-touched or marked then this attack auto-hits otherwise +19 vs Will; and on the hit secondary target takes the number sum of primary target’s healing surge value in necrotic damage is dazed (save ends)
  Secondary Effect: Until conditions of the secondary attack's hit or this power’s missed effect ends the primary target is stunned and immobilized.
  Miss: Secondary target is slowed until the end of secondary target’s next turn and this power recharges.
  After Effect
: Alluring mimicry may use marked targets’ occupied square as the origin for her psychic keyword powers. (This after-effect ends when marked target succeeds a moderate DC with either an Endurance, Insight, Religion or Intimidate skill checkas a minor action.)
Minor Action
Illusory Change Shape (minor; at-will) Polymorph
Effect: Alluring mimicry can alter her physical form to take on the appearance of any Medium humanoid, including an unique   individual.
Scene Shaping (free, 1/round; at-will) Polymorph,   Illusion, Charm, Psychic
  Trigger: When using the change shape power alluring mimicry may make the following attack
Area burst 5 ( targets enemies) Against targets that are chaos-touched or marked this power auto-hits otherwise +19 vs either Fortitude or Will (whichever is lowest)
  Effect: On the hit; each hit target perceives everyone as having the same appearance, clothing and mannerism of the chosen unique individual guise alluring mimicry while under this effect’s conditions all hit targets grants combat advantage to all attacks, has a -5 power penalty to all weapons and ranged attack rolls unless targets’ identity is determined by either a Moderate DC Insight roll as a minor action or the same DC number sum +2 as a passive score and as a no action. If hit target is chaos-touched or marked then the penalty to attack rolls are -10 penalty. (Alluring mimicry taking damage ends otherwise saves ends).
Triggered Actions
Markings By Scent (immediate interrupt, at-will)   Personal, Fear
  Trigger: When alluring mimicry is targeted by a weapon or a ranged attack.
Special: If triggering attack is an opportunity or immediate action, this power triggers as a no action.
  Effect: If a chaos-touched or marked enemy is on an adjacent square either the triggering attacker of alluring mimicrythe attack is redirected that enemy.
Double Take (immediate   interrupt; at-will)
  Trigger: A creature that is chaos-touched or marked makes either an attack roll, check, or save die roll versus alluring mimicry or against an effect caused by alluring mimicry.
  Effect:
Until the end of the turn this power is triggered on; the triggering creature must reroll the triggering roll and all other rolls for that turn using the lower results rolls.
Alignment Evil Languages Common, Deep Speech, Supernal
  Skills Bluff +19, Diplomacy +19, Insight +17
  Str 12 (+8) Dex 20 (+12) Wis 20 (+12)
  Con 12 (+8) Int 16 (+10) Cha 24 (+14)


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 27, 2012 - 1:51AM #14
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Of the Minor, Trait, and Triggered actions, drop at least 2.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 27, 2012 - 4:03AM #15
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Jul 15, 2012 -- 11:59PM, VoyRager wrote:

Jul 14, 2012 -- 1:02AM, DavidArgall wrote:

15th level monsters are not supposed to do much more than make 17th level PCs breathe hard.  The succubus type might be able to do that, but it won't be for combat reasons.    So these monsters either will not challenge the party, or will challenge the spirit of the rules if they do.


Jul 13, 2012 -- 2:14PM, curiousdragon wrote:

Mimi is way too complex of a monster to run. You have all kinds of extra states/effects to remember.

I'd suggest simplifying it quite a bit. 


Well I shorten it some, simplified some, anything else? Does you or anyone esle see anymore I can do to this stats cards to improved on it?
 

A Luring Mimicry                                                                                   Level 15 Controller
meduim immortal humanoid (devil, shapechanger)                                XP 1200
Initiative +13 Senses Perception +12; Darkvision
HP 140; Bloodied 70
AC 29; Fortitude 25, Reflex 27, Will 29
Resist 20 fire
Speed 6, fly 6
Traits
Charmed Advantage
Effect: Whenever luring mimi hits a target granting combat advantage or is marked with a charm keyword attack target becomes dazed until the start of target’s next turn.
Standard Actions
Corrupting Scent (standard, at-will) Psychic, Charm
Area burst 2 (all creatures in burst) (This area attack doesn’t provoke opportunity)
Attack: +17 vs Will; and target is blinded until the end of the turn.
Hit: 1d10+6 psychic damage and target is chaos-touched (save ends). Also if hit target is already chaos-touched then target takes an additional 1d10 psychic damage and becomes marked until the end of the encounter.
Effect: A luring mmicry can either slid up to three squares away from or to an adjacent square of target.
(This power counts as a basic melee attack with reach properties.)  
Corrupting Snare (standard, at-will) Psychic, Charm
Ranged 5 (up to two creature).Attack: +17 vs Will and target is blinded until the start of target next turn.
Hit: Target takes 10 psychic damage and is chaos-touched (save ends). Also if hit target is already chaos-touched then target takes an additional 1d10 psychic damage and becomes marked until the end of the encounter.
Effect: If this power marks a target or hit a marked target then a luring mmicry can pick an adjacent square of the target or herself and either slid or may slid target to the chosen square.
(This power when attacking one creature counts as a basic ranged attack.)  
Forced Loyalties (standard, Recharge when secondary target of this power saves) Reliable, Charm, Psychic, Necrotic
Range 10; (Primary attack targets one creature that is marked.)
Primary Attack: Auto-hit; and target is blinded until the end of the turn.
Primary Effect: Target loses a healing surge and a luring mimicry may make the following secondary attack that may use the primary target’s occupied square as this secondary’s attack’s origin:
Melee or Ranged 5 (one creature)
Secondary Attack: If secondary target is chaos-touched then this attack auto-hits otherwise +19 vs Will; and on the hit secondary target takes the number sum of primary target’s healing surge value in psychic and necrotic damage. Also secondary target is dazed (save ends)
Secondary Effect: Until conditions of the secondary attack's hit or this power’s missed effect ends the primary target is stunned and immobilized.
Miss: Secondary target is slowed until the end of secondary target’s next turn and this power recharges.
After Effect
: A luring mimi may use marked targets’ occupied square as the origin for her psychic keyword powers. (This after-effect ends when marked target succeeds a moderate DC with either an Endurance, Insight, Religion or Intimidate skill check.)
Minor Action
Illusory Change Shape (minor; at-will) Polymorph
Effect: Luring Mimi can alter her physical form to take on the appearance of any Medium humanoid, including an unique individual even of one present during the encounter.
All Creatures that aren’t chaos-touched nor marked by a lurring mimicry may end this ruse by having a Passive DC 29 Insight or rolling a  DC 28 as a minor action while all other creatures will percieved a luring mimicry as having also the clothing and mannerism of the chosen unique individual and must make with the minor action to end the rise a moderate DC of either Insight, Intimidate, Endurance or Perception skill check with a successful saving throw otherwise ruse remains in effect.
Scene Shaping (free, 1/round; at-will) Polymorph, Illusion, Charm, Psychic
Trigger: When using the change shape power luring mimi may make the following attack as a free action:
Area burst 5 ( targets all)
(Special: Against the targets that are chaos-touched or marked this power auto-hits) +19 vs either Fortitude or Will (whichever is lowest)
Effect: On the hit; each hit target percieves everyone as having the appearance, clothing and mannerism of any chosen unique individual guise even if chosen guise is a PC or NPC that is present in the encounter, while under this effect’s conditions all hit targets grants combat advantage, has a -5 power penalty to all weapons and ranged attack rolls and can’t determined enemies from allies with area attacks. If hit target is chaos-touched or marked then the penalty to attack rolls are -10 penalty. (When a luring mimicry takes damage ends otherwise saves ends).
After-Effect: Targets that are chaos-touched or marked during the turn when target saved from this power’s effects also must succeeds a moderate DC as a no action with either Insight, Intimidate, Endurance or Perception skill check to end this condition otherwise saving throw fails.
Triggered Actions
 Markings By Scent (immediate interrupt, at-will) Personal, Fear
Trigger: When a luring mimicry is targeted by a weapon or a ranged attack.Special: If triggering attack is an opportunity or immediate action, this power triggers as a no action.
Effect: If a chaos-touched or marked enemy is on an adjacent square the triggering attack is redirected that enemy.
Warped Vertigo (immediate interrupt; at-will)
Trigger: A creature that is chaos-touched or marked makes either an attack roll, check, or save die roll versus luring mimi or against an effect caused by luring mimi.
Effect:
Until the end of the turn this power is triggered on; the triggering creature must immediately reroll the triggering roll and all other attack rolls, check, or save die roll made against luring mimi  or luring mimi’s  caused effects. The target must take the lower roll.
Alignment Evil Languages Common, Deep Speech. Supernal
Skills Bluff +19, Diplomacy +19, Insight +17
Str 12 (+8)          Dex 20 (+12)           Wis 20 (+12)
Con 12 (+8)         Int 16 (+10)             Cha 24 (+14)




Um, provided that you can remember all her powers and triggers, did you look into her HP? It seems like an awful lot of trouble to design such an encounter witha  heavy story tie-in and then having her die in turn one due to a striker-nova. She should probably at least be an elite with double HP.

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