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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 11:15AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 11, 2010
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I would second checking out an Avenger, especially a Pursuit Avenger. They are extremely accurate thanks to re-rolls, and their schtick is picking an enemy and chasing them down then killing them. Plus they wear cloth armour, and have good AC.
If the using anything as a weapon is more important I would also suggest considering an Iron Soul Monk - yes their powers are all technically implement powers, but they can use any weapon as an implement (and get bonuses for using powers with some weapons as implements). So the fact that they use implements only really plays a role in the fact that the power has the implement keyword - you still retain the feel of hitting people with a weapon - in fact you are so good at it that whilst most people could only do 1d4 with a broken board you can do 1d8. Since you were happy refluffing the rages, I presume you're happy to ignore the fact they are called implement rather than weapon as well. Monks also wear cloth naturally and have great AC from it, so you wouldn't need ot make any sacrifices there. I'm not sure what levels you're looking through, but if you do go into Paragon the Soaring Blade (Psionic Power) looks like an excellent fit for a paragon path as well.
Both have a lot of mobility powers as well. Does the character need to function as a defender mechanically? I ask since the Fighter and Bezerker both are, but your description sounded more like a striker, hence the two striker suggestions. In play the various power sources almost no mechanical impact (there aren't many feats which key off the power keyword of Divine, Psionic or Martial, and some are replicated).
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 2:31PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Mar 23, 2012
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I am well aware of both classes. My problem with them is not the reflavoring, it is their main stats. While i understand and believe Dexterity and Wisdom help one to hit and damage his opponent, i do not think one could use only one of these to be an effective melee combatant (not mechanicaly, "fluff-wise"). This is probably a personal quirk.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 2:41PM
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What about an Assassin(Executioner)|Avenger hybrid?
I think it fits the character fairly well and you can use both Wis and Dex as your main stats. Since hybrid Executioner applies to melee basic attacks you can take Power of Skill and Overwhelming Strike, which gives you the benefits of both your hybrid classes striker features. Take Armor of Faith as your Hybrid Talent so you get decent AC.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 2:42PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 11, 2010
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Wisdom I can kinda understand why you might have a problem with with weapon attacks (although not as much as something like Charisma, after all Fighters have Wisdom as a secondary to represent knowing how to fight well). Dexterity seems perfectly natural to me though, especially for a guy who fences (admittedly my image of a master swordsman) rather than a hammer or axe guy? Its about being quick and nimble, parry and riposte, sneaking in a blow too fast for the other person to stop in the dance of steel - strength I've always viewed as I hit it, hard. You swing a whacking great big sword at someone hard enough that they physically can't stop it, and it slams into them, brutish, whereas the Dextrous guy sidesteps the blow and delivers another cut to the oaf swinging the sword. Incidentally, the Iron Soul monk would be Dex main Con secondary, quick and tough. Obviously your quirks are your own, just thought I'd try to do my bit to persuade you that Dexterity could be a master swordsmans main stat 
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 3:00PM
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Mar 23, 2012
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My pervertion is that i find Strength, Dexterity and Wisdom all stats a master swordsman should have, be strong, fast and perceptive, and i try to have my characters use three stats, usually that does not end well.
Iron Soul and the Hybrid Avenger|Executioner seem interesting, i will take a look there, cannot promise anything though.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 3:34PM
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Aug 31, 2009
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It's not like a person with 10 STR is a weakling. I don't know the character, but I doubt he goes around lifting oxen and whatnot. With discipline and control, you can be a master swordsman without developing hulking muscles. But this is not really a CharOp issue.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 9:07PM
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Hybrid executioner is a bad idea, since the executioners strikers feature requests you use the very weapons an avenger does not want to.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 3:27AM
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Mar 23, 2012
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Baldhermit, your build is the closest thing to what i want, i have to admit that i have gone that way with my last character (though he was much more Wis invested).
As for the executioner, i took a look, can't say it intrigued me much.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 09, 2012 - 6:39PM
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I actually threw a Hired Killer (or Executioner, can't remember) background on a Slayer and refluffed the Scale (or was my dex high enough I just used Hide?, I remember Ogami wearing and fighting in armor while in disguise at least twice). It worked well enough for me.
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