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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 8:06PM
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However, it requires two feats to get that bonus (Born of the Elements and Elemental Companion) for the same benefit as the Primordial Adept theme. I know which one I like better.
Er... no. Primordial Adept is +damage, Storm Talon is +attack. That's a little bit different.
Ah, I apologize. I misread its aura. I'm used to seeing "attack rolls with the lightning or thunder keyword" and "lightning or thunder damage rolls". I still think that it's not nearly as good as it's being made out to be. If you're using it at range, you may not get it into position, and it's as fragile as a familiar would be. I'd rather spend the feats getting some source of perma-CA and Nimble Blade.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 8:12PM
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I agree that a 2 feat tax for a +2 to hit as unsteady as described is.. well I'll say that it's not everyone who is willing to do that kind of trade. Not saying it's not good, but it's still 2 feats that could go somewhere else IMHO.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 8:23PM
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I agree that a 2 feat tax for a +2 to hit as unsteady as described is.. well I'll say that it's not everyone who is willing to do that kind of trade. Not saying it's not good, but it's still 2 feats that could go somewhere else IMHO.
Where? Few feats are as good as '+10% hitchance', even if you have to burn two feats for it.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 8:42PM
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towards any other strat you might be going for, for example. Some builds are feat intensive and 2 feats for +2 to hit is not always possible or even attractive. I haven't seen a single storm sorc build so far that pick up these feats for example. Maybe I just missed it, but none of the ones I've seen do. To be honest I'm pretty sure in heroic there's almost always something else that either is a real feat tax or is important towards whatever build you might be going for, and so is more attractive. On top of that from what Herid_Fel describes, it seems iffy ?
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 9:28PM
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Not really. You haven't seen it because it's recent and practical, AKA not interesting enough to feature in TheoryOp. Nobody cranks out 'platonic ideal' builds, but a stormtalon would feature in a stormsorc's platonic ideal without fail. And Herid is down on it because he isn't considering its plusses.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 9:33PM
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hmm, well next new campaign I was thinking of playing a storm sorc, I'll test it out for myself and see.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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12 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2012 - 9:47PM
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towards any other strat you might be going for, for example. Some builds are feat intensive and 2 feats for +2 to hit is not always possible or even attractive. I haven't seen a single storm sorc build so far that pick up these feats for example. Maybe I just missed it, but none of the ones I've seen do. To be honest I'm pretty sure in heroic there's almost always something else that either is a real feat tax or is important towards whatever build you might be going for, and so is more attractive. On top of that from what Herid_Fel describes, it seems iffy ?
There are issues. I used it for a bit in my own Storm Sorc game but I became dissatisfied with trying to protect it from autodamage auras and the like. As long as you can block that, though, it's quite valuable. Wouldn't call it an autopick unless you're confident the DM won't just kill it all the time.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 04, 2012 - 6:47AM
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The thing with Cosmic is that by taking it via Hybrid Talent you get the big full-featured... feature. While doing the same with either Dragon or Storm only gives you a part of it. So as a hybrid, you might feel you get more by taking Cosmic. Powers not withstanding, I mean.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 05, 2012 - 9:45AM
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The thing with Cosmic is that by taking it via Hybrid Talent you get the big full-featured... feature. While doing the same with either Dragon or Storm only gives you a part of it. So as a hybrid, you might feel you get more by taking Cosmic. Powers not withstanding, I mean.
I guess I don't understand why a Barb/Sorc doesn't go with HT: Barbarian Agility to have fantastic AC right at level 1. Makes your striker/striker have defender AC. Seems pretty darn good to me to make you a little more durable.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 05, 2012 - 9:34PM
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The thing with Cosmic is that by taking it via Hybrid Talent you get the big full-featured... feature. While doing the same with either Dragon or Storm only gives you a part of it. So as a hybrid, you might feel you get more by taking Cosmic. Powers not withstanding, I mean.
I guess I don't understand why a Barb/Sorc doesn't go with HT: Barbarian Agility to have fantastic AC right at level 1. Makes your striker/striker have defender AC. Seems pretty darn good to me to make you a little more durable.
Because you need the full feature to take Lightning Soul. And anything else except for Morninglord flatly does not compare to it. AC is for schmucks who don't have access to Storm's Embrace, anyway.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
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