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9 months ago ::
Sep 12, 2012 - 4:50PM
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We have the 1e reprints because it meshed nicely with the Gygax memorial fund and the nostalgia they're trying to build in preperation for Next.
We have 3e because they want to win back the Pathfinder players who feel abandoned by WotC (and, likely because someone at WotC likely belives the reason PF is doing as well as it is, is because there's no 3e books to compete with).
2e... isn't as different from 1e as the other editions, so there's less mechanical incentive. And it didn't sell as well as 1e or 3e, which were the spikes in the hobby. (D&D seems to have the oposite problem as Star Trek where the even editions are more poorly recieved than the odd.)
2e also have a heavy revision/reprint late in the editon's lifespan (the black bordered books) which are not hard to find in stores. It's easy for interested parties to hit used book stores or eBay and find copies.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 13, 2012 - 2:49PM
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on the popularity of 2nd edition. I have a long waiting list for my current 2E campaign. 2E source & core rulebooks are very hard to find in my community, and per the FGLS & 1/2 Price Books, those that do come in get snapped up quickly. Most players that I know personally who tried 3/3.5/4 went back to 2E after awhile. Maybe I run in different D&D circles, but the overwhelming majority of those I have talked to (including those I rolled with at Gen Con this year) enjoyed and would love a 2E reprint. The only real negative people I have come across concerning 2E are either on this board or a particular WotC employee who shall remain nameless (rhymes with Mike Mearls, lol).
I prefer 2nd Edition AD&D. But I have played basic, 1E, 2E, 3.5, & 4E, and found all to be fun.
IF IT'S D&D, I'LL PLAY IT, NO MATTER THE EDITION.
Just roll some dice.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 13, 2012 - 3:33PM
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Glad to see there are more of us out there! I dearly want all of the 1e and 2e products reprinted, especially the modules and including products like Dark Sun or Al-Qadim (even though I do have my original Al-Qadim in near-mint condition, I'm terrified to touch it because they're hard to find!). I am a Greyhawk fun through and through but I would love to get my hands on a reprint of Undermountain.
Wish List
Temple of Elemental Evil (ridiculously expensive on Ebay/Amazon)
From the Ashes (again ridiculously expensive)
ALL 1e modules
All 2e modules
hmmm, there's tons more. I'm not a penniless kid anymore WotC, I have money now and I wish to dispose of it. If only you would get this done.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 3:05PM
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Yea, the support here for a 2E reprint is quite positive. I think we just need to keep pestering WotC and we may see this.
I prefer 2nd Edition AD&D. But I have played basic, 1E, 2E, 3.5, & 4E, and found all to be fun.
IF IT'S D&D, I'LL PLAY IT, NO MATTER THE EDITION.
Just roll some dice.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 3:23PM
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I find it strange that a couple of months ago Mike Mearls was reported as claiming that AD&D 2nd edition was his favorite system to play and yet we don't see any move by WOTC to reprint it. There's no love for us fans of 2e, in this company? I play all pre WOTC versions of the game and It sure would be cool to have some 2nd edition books to show that we are wanted as fans the way everyone else is. Iv'e been working hard at uniting the fans across editions and one of my favorites is left out in the cold. 2e. was such a cool game and so detailed and fun. What a pity it would be if it doesn't get a reprint. Right now I am left to purchase them used online for nearly as much as new books cost as they retain their value. I could be supporting WOTC with my money. Seems sad to me.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 4:08PM
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Didn't they say WotC will soon be selling all previous edition books in PDF formats?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 4:25PM
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They did. However, with the physical copy reprints of 1E & 3.5 many of us would love to see a physical copy of the 2E core rules as well, instead of leaving it out as WotC seems to enjoy doing.
I will also state this: from a business standpoint, I do believe that reprinting 2E would be reasonably beneficial to WotC. It could spark interest again in the edition, causing an increase of sales of the 2E PDF files once they go for sale online. To be honest, I believe that is the reason why they rerelased 3.5.
Another observation as to why 3.5 came out first may be that, simply put, 3.5 was already in a format that their printers can use. Remember that 2E is in a 20+ year old format, and may need to be redone for modern printers, much like 1E was (to an extent). That's why I have been reasonably patient with them, but my patience is starting to leave as I see no move from WotC that hints we will see this edition in a reprint format.
WotC, it would simply be nice to hear an answer one way or another! BTW, I still have that wad of cash ready to buy these books again!
I prefer 2nd Edition AD&D. But I have played basic, 1E, 2E, 3.5, & 4E, and found all to be fun.
IF IT'S D&D, I'LL PLAY IT, NO MATTER THE EDITION.
Just roll some dice.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 4:27PM
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I find it strange that a couple of months ago Mike Mearls was reported as claiming that AD&D 2nd edition was his favorite system to play and yet we don't see any move by WOTC to reprint it. There's no love for us fans of 2e, in this company? I play all pre WOTC versions of the game and It sure would be cool to have some 2nd edition books to show that we are wanted as fans the way everyone else is. Iv'e been working hard at uniting the fans across editions and one of my favorites is left out in the cold. 2e. was such a cool game and so detailed and fun. What a pity it would be if it doesn't get a reprint. Right now I am left to purchase them used online for nearly as much as new books cost as they retain their value. I could be supporting WOTC with my money. Seems sad to me.
I hadn't heard that. While I do believe you, I find it interesting that Mearls is one of the most critical of the system from WotC that I have personally heard, which is a shame. I'm not trying to flame Mearls, as I believe he's doing a helluva job with the upcoming 5E, but I still find this difficult to fathom.
I prefer 2nd Edition AD&D. But I have played basic, 1E, 2E, 3.5, & 4E, and found all to be fun.
IF IT'S D&D, I'LL PLAY IT, NO MATTER THE EDITION.
Just roll some dice.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 4:57PM
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Didn't they say WotC will soon be selling all previous edition books in PDF formats?
Would it surprise you to know that because of the release of cd rom core rules from the 1990's there is no need to make pdf's of 2nd ed.? They can be downloaded at any share info site freely today. I own the actual official copy of the dragonbyte Software from TSR. We fans are asking for a paper reprinting to have physical copies of the game. I want new copies of the books myself.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 17, 2012 - 6:35PM
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WotC could EASILY offer print copies of any of their back catalogue if they wanted to. Many printing companies are converting their operations over to print-on-demand (POD) which has allowed them survive by making many small sales instead of a few big ones. I have no doubt that a big publisher like WotC/Hasbro could work out a deal with a printing company to process their POD orders. WotC could handle the internet front end and then transmit all the orders direct to the printer who would then ship directly to the consumer. Fantasy Flight Games does this and they are expanding their POD line which makes me think they're doing something right.
This avoids the need to gamble on big print runs that might not sell. That's what killed TSR in the 90's, warehouses full of product they couldn't sell.
Brick and mortar gaming stores aren't left out in the cold because WotC could offer a discount to retailers who would be shipped cases of books directly from the printer. FFG does this and it works quite well from what I've heard. Retailers only order exactly what they think they can sell and are not forced into dealing with distributers who want them to accept large bundles of items to get top selling products.
The only people who lose in this model are the distributing companies.
Want to know more about the history of D&D, especially how to play older editions of the game? Check out Crazy Monkey's "Tour through the editions":
http://community.wizards.com/crazymonkey/go/forum/view/133793/225799/Asylum_Play-by-Post
The current edition is BECMI, the most popular form of Basic D&D and the adventure is the classic Red Box quest to kill Bargle the evil magic user. Check it out, learn about the games roots, and enjoy the story as it unfolds.
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