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12 months ago ::
Jun 16, 2012 - 9:09AM
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In the campaign I'm currently playing, some of us want to build a theater. Has anyone here ever had thier characters build something like that, and what kind of pricing and size would be required?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 16, 2012 - 10:33AM
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What edition? 3.0 has detailed rules for this sort of thing in the stronghold builders guidebook and potentially the arms and equipment guide. 3.5 has the basic ideas on how to do it (price for a cost of a worked, and raw materials). 4e has "ask the DM and handwave it". Depending on your group those are all legit solutions to the issue.
5e comments and thoughts all in one place. Check it out to provide feedback, mock, or steal ideas.
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28835423/Krusks_5e_Design_Goals?sdb=1
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12 months ago ::
Jun 17, 2012 - 10:23AM
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We are using the stronghold builders guidebook as a base for it, that's why i'm asking if anyone has done it before. The size of the aditorium in stronghold seems really small for the size, and I'm also wondering if there is additional cost beyong the 2000 gp/ 30 seats for walls and such.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 17, 2012 - 10:36PM
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The auditorium in the stronghold builders guidebook is for a stronghold. It's not meant for what you are wanting to use it for.
Just take the numbers and increase them based on the size you want. That's the quick and dirty way of doing it.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 19, 2012 - 7:02AM
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As most people have said, it depends on the group. One of my characters (high level) once actually went through the whole process of building a full fort complete with keep and walls. It was 3.5 but we used the costings from Stronghold builders and actually worked it out. By which I mean I needed to come up with sketches, measurements, etc, etc and then actually do the math.
Stone wall is Xgp/10 ft, double thickness, 20 ft tall = X * 4/10 ft of curtain wall.
Stables are wood, 120 ft wooden wall @ Ygp/10ft = y *12
etc,
etc,
It took a long time but we were a pretty nerdy bunch so we actually enjoyed crunching the numbers and all the players got in on it even if their characters were not. All told it came to about 120k but it was a full military base by the end of it (he had a literal army of followers that he was building it to protect).
For our group that worked, for others it might not. You could take one of the example buildings it gives which is about the right size and just say; "Will you let me build it for 1.5 the cost of this?" (or however much you feel is appropriate) The economics of it held up pretty well in 3.5 so it worked well as a guide for this. I can't speak for 4th ed because I don't play it much.
In terms of what size, well, where are you building it? How much demand for use of the theatre do you think there will be? If it's going to be bam-smack in the middle of a metropolis and a high level bard or other much in demand show is going to be showing there then you'd want probably a couple hundred seats as a minimum. If it's in a small town and the shows are likely to be relatively hit and miss anything more than 50 is probably a bit ambitious. Look at the Globe Theatre in London if you want ideas or guidance about historical theatre architecture and sizing. There's other examples around I'm sure but that's the only one I can think of since I live not too far away. Does anyone know of some others?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 20, 2012 - 6:24AM
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As far as I know, the Globe is pretty much the best example in the English speaking world. Depending on your setting, you might also want to look at some of the Roman theaters from the Late Republic, like the Theater of Pompey on the Campus Martius, as these can give you some different and more exotic ideas.
As far as the Stronghold Builders Guidebook is concerned, it is one of my favorite D&D books ever, but it is kind of specific. I like the idea of looking at similar buildings in published material as a yardstick. In the book, you can use the Auditorium components as a core and then build out with some other components that loosely fit specific parts of the theater. Common Areas can stretch the space some, the Tavern and Trophy Room components can be used to represent patron areas, Studies and Workspaces for various backstage components, etc. Then, the walls and extras can come in handy as well. You just need to look at the components creatively and use them for what you need.
In the end, you should also feel the freedom to fudge the final numbers of your creation a bit to get them where you need. A theater will had different requirements from the fortified stronghold the book was really meant to design. For instance, you might want to combine a Tavern with a Trophy Room to create a lavishly appointed lobby with bar service, but I think the product would wind up being a bit smaller and cheaper than the two components together.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 20, 2012 - 6:32AM
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Jun 16, 2012
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Also, if you want to use the Stronghold Builders Guidebook, I can't recommend using a spreadsheet enough. Once you get the forumulas you need built in, your calculation time can be cut down to a fraction. With a robust spreadsheet, you can easily stat out strongholds for every session, if you wanted that many strongholds. Although that is a lot of strongholds. 
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12 months ago ::
Jun 20, 2012 - 5:24PM
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In 4e there is actually a system that was put in for an article for hero and villain "lairs" that includes "lair items", a subset of wonderous items that can go into an adventuring group's home. They had plenty of suggestions for DMs and players in that article, though I sadly cannot remember the # of the Dragon it was from. I know there are some lair items in Adventurer's vault 2.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 05, 2012 - 2:56AM
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Poop to all that - stone costs 1 ounce of gold per ton (or 76 ounces of gold per 10x10x10 cubic feet of stone to quarry - this is the basic cost of mining anything so it covers quarry and stone cutting). design what you think the Theater looks like on some graph paper and calculate the stone volumes. Do the math. huzza you know what it looks like and how much stone is needed and what it costs.
The Citadel Megadungeon: http://yellowdingosappendix.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-citadel-mega-dungeon-now-with-room.html
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