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Jun 22, 2012 -- 11:39AM, Mr_Miscellany wrote:

Jun 22, 2012 -- 11:10AM, ChefJackButler wrote:

That wasn't an admission that something was wrong, that was an admission that "some fans of the Realms" think something is wrong. 

You're conflating different portions of the article.

No, what I am doing is pointing out that their "announcement" didn't say what you said it does.  You claimed that message admitted they messed up with the Realms.  At no time does that announcement do that.  What you are now doing is what intelligent people call "arguing semantics".

It may not be the mea culpa some people are clammoring for, but it is an admission the Realms have moved away from what makes it great.

Finally you say something that approaches reality.

Personally I don't think WotC needs to apologize for anything. Some people have strong feelings on the subject, but the ones who are expecting or demanding apologies are the ones WotC can safely ignore.

Yes, because ignoring their customer base worked so well for WotC in the past.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 4:18PM, sfdragon wrote:

Say you hate WOTC's products with your wallets and they will get the idea.

We did.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 4:18PM, sfdragon wrote:

WOTC is a business to make money, when they put whoever in charge of the 4e realms they took a caculated risk when it veared off from what Ed Greenwood had envisioned for the FR and thus making it the Shattered Realms as many of its haters call it. WOTC DOES NOT owe us an apology for that move as it was indeed their doing they can only answer to themselves over it.

Well, if a pre-Plague realms turns out to be more profitable than a Plague Realms, Wizards might retcon it out or delete it somehow.  Regardless of how many others would be trashed by this, money is still the strongest speaker.  But, that would go against the goals for 5e to be modular.  So perhaps, the Realms would be broken into modules.  This would allow for freedom of writing in whatever era without having to keep up with canon and make the Realms feel more open to speculation.  This way, Alien invasion mind flayer realms might happen as one possibility.  Perhaps the magical tech revolution in my alt-future Realms could happen as another.  However, the notion of canon would collapse in favor of turning time from a straight line into a bowl of... wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff!  And what is the Realms known for?  Canon and continuity.  (In theory, at least)

Jun 22, 2012 -- 4:18PM, sfdragon wrote:

I however do not want Bruce Cordell to be involved with the 5e frcs, let him be incharge of the Shattered Realms setting that is Abeir the alt deminsion of Toril.....

No offense intended to Mr. Cordell 

Perhaps this is for the best... Either via modules for Returned Abeir/Spellplague Realms for a Realms baseplate (so you can ignore the rubbish 4e brought to the realms), a separate campaign setting (which is kind of is), or an alternate universe (with risk of becoming Marvel Comics)  By all means, these are methods of compromise.  Perhaps not the best!  Continuing the timeline as is isn't the best solution either.  

Perhaps there is NO best solution, as the issue is very grey.  No one's right and no one's wrong.  Only time (and patience) will tell.

Jun 10, 2012 -- 3:53AM, Areleth wrote:

I say let Keith Baker design Forgotten Realms.

I like Keith as a person, but Eberron doesn't make the slightest amount of sense as a setting. "Film Noir with Robots"? Really?

I played a lot of Eberron games, but I think it never got past the "pastiche of cliche" phase of design.

Anyway, this might help restore some trust WotC lost with the Spellplague.

Let's hope that Ed Greenwood undoes a lot of the idiocy WOTC demonstrated with the 4e Realms.

Something about Garagos being a servitor of Tempus indicates that whoever wrote the 4e books had never even picked up a FR book before.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 1:24PM, Diffan wrote:

...the ones who are expecting or demanding apologies are the ones WotC can safely ignore.

I am not expecting anthing like this, not infact and not by suggestion. Which is part and parcel of why I expect 5EFR to be at best mediorcre, or even poor. Anything like a "my bad" will not happen, so they will not step back from4EFR, because that would be a "my bad" even if only by suggestion.