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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 9:29PM #1
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Dragon's-Eye View
The Making of an Owlbear, Part 2
by Jon Schindehette

You've had some time with the owlbear now, and so have we! Senior Creative Director Jon Schindehette revisits this particular beastie and gives you some more visual food for thought.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 9:37PM #2
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 9:57PM #3
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Is anybody else madly in love with the quadruped?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 10:14PM #4
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Where is the "All of these options look bad and you should feel bad" option?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 10:18PM #5
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 10:14PM, LordofKhyber wrote:

Where is the "All of these options look bad and you should feel bad" option?


The comments section. Jon actually reads it and even sometimes replies directly. Though, if you want that comment to be helpful, I recommend explaining exactly why you don't like them and/or showing an example of what you do like and why you like it.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 10:36PM #6
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We're getting Monkeybees too, right?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 10:40PM #7
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You know, originally I was digging the Track 1 owlbear from the first article, but now I'm totally in love with the quadruped.

Either would be acceptable, but boy, the quadruped version looks kind of scary.
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 3:18AM #8
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When i started 4e, I told the players they could get away with anything which was, and I quote, "not as silly as an owlbear."

Dragonborn?  Tieflings?  The last surviving warforged of some ancient battle?  Whatever, it's less silly as that sanctioned bit of Gygaxian absurdity -- the owlbear.  Something to remind us all that we should not take the game too seriously.

Art looks great.  But it's still an owlbear. 
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 4:25AM #9
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Some interesting art ideas. I kind of liked the original track 2 best, but oh well.

What really amused me was the effect nostalgia had on comments: people asked for an "owl beak" (which is obviously very small) when they meant a "big beak." This could be because they just accepted the old big-beaked owlbear as authentically owl-like, even thought it wasn't. Similarly, people were apparently bothered by the addition of teeth, even though the original was toothy as well. Memory!
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 5:33AM #10
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I like the screecher (though I'd prefer larger hindquarters on it), grizzowl, and tallgriz.  Voted for screcher, though.  I thought it looked neat.
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