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I don't know how many offensive complusions would have to appear to invoke Charisma saving throws. Or sudden assualts against your intellect to force a Int save. Then what is left for Wisdom?

The "3 saves" or "Poison/Death/Spell/Wand..." versions were clear and easy to call out for.

But unless Next plan for DMs to constantly drop spellcasters with specific spells, I don't see where some of these saving throws are coming from. Outside of a DM using "gotcha" Charisma saves for umm... the 18th hypnotizing aboleth.

So if ANYTHING needs codifying right now, it's saving throws.

don't know, Zero. Most of your int saves would be simple checks for me (mechanically they are the same for now, but we don't know if this might change), the first one could be modified with a skill (tinkering/engineering), the spiked drink could even be intuition or sense motive (wis)

Rallying troops would be a cha check (modified by leadership), distraction can be both wis and cha (yep, I would call for a save, too) and the psychotropic effects can even linger on to constitution territory (it is poison, after all, unless it is a magical drug)

However, I'd make the rule that a player might choose which attribute to use if there would be more than one appropriate ability. Otherwise we'd only have DM fiat.

But yes, mental stats are hard to distinguish, both in saves and (skill) checks. Plus they have the problem that they tend to be more rule zero'ed than the physical stats when you do good roleplaing. Well, except the nasty perception check of doom.

@Zerozobb Most of those look like very rare checks and contests.

Saving throws are now mostly off your turn reactions.

Strength:
Mundane- Grapples, Push/Pull,Trip
Magical- Hand spells

Dexterity:
Mundane- Collapses, Explosions
Magical- Breath weapons, Blasty spells

Constitution:
Mundane-Poison, Disease, Exhaustion, Intoxication
Magical-Petrification, Death attacks, Transmutation/Polymorph

Intelligence:
Mundane- Disarm, Recalling previous dangers
Magical-Illusions,Maze,Predictions

Wisdom:
Mundane- Feint, Mental Stun
Magical-Confusion, Sanity, Minor charms, Minor Fears (fear auras)

Charisma:
Mundane- Intimidation,Avoid rage/calm/relaxation
Magical- Major charms and compulsion, Fascination, Major Fears (spells)

@TheCosmickid

Like someone else said, solving puzzles is a Int check or Int based contest. The only thing that would invoke reactionary puzzle solving is the maze spell. So unless there are maze slamming wizards out there, Int saving throws would be ignored and non-knowledge characters and non-wizard will dump it.

And call your own saves has its own problem. You'll get wizards going "I use logic to realize the ghost is an illusion" "I use logic to realize the wizard is controlling me." "I use logic and math and physics to predict and dodge the fireball" "I use logic and a mantra I read about in a book about the Zuziupoo monks during my days at school to break the hold spell. Zuzu. Zuzu. Zuzu."