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This is actually the build I'm using for a campaign I just joined, so I'll be able to provide status updates as we go.

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I may tweak a few of the feat choices, but it's enough to get the general idea.  Improved Grab is actually a fair amount of overkill.  Current grab modifier is +23, which seems a bit excessive given that even high-Reflex targets at level 12 don't seem to have anything above 26.  I'm tempted to swap it out for something else.

Notable omissions from the feat list inclue Inescapable Hold, which isn't that big a deal considering the very small gap between my Fort and Ref.  In a traditional brawler that gap is much larger, and the feat becomes more important.  But if I were to get Brawler Guard instead, then that'd bring the gap to only 1, and I get actually better defenses out of it. 

I'm very tempted to replace Imp Grab with World Serpent's Grasp.  I ended up not having too many ways of knocking someone prone, and that would help considerably.  I have enough non-standard-grabs that the fights tend to end before I need the straight-up grab.

A better choice would be to swap out Imp MUS for something grabby-related, but that was mostly just so I could pick up those lovely d12s.  From a pure optimization perspective, that's somewhat of a weak feat at this point.  The damage is nice, but it's nothing special.


On the actual playing side, not much to report yet.  The first session was somewhat short, and the fights weren't really representative of the sorts of things I'm expecting to face.  A particularly annoying solo with an opportunity action push on being hit in melee made things...problematic.  But I got my revenge by hitting him with Knockout.  Too bad I rolled a 1 on the AP burning the 3[W] daily...

The L5 daily is a pretty weak power, but from what I remember while building it there weren't that many stellar rogue options for that level.  It did occur to me that now that I have Knockout, I should be able to have swapped out the rogue power for a better fighter daily.  I have a thing for Crushing Foot, personally, since that has the benefit of stopping teleports without needing to get a Feyslaughter weapon (which defeats the purpose of going MUS).

Edit:  Oh, forgot that I got Ebon Gauntlets as loot.  Woot!

Jun 7, 2012 -- 2:36PM, Mand12 wrote:

That could be interesting, as it could let you replace Grappling Strike entirely.  You'd be giving up damage, but getting the straight grab on an OA could very well be useful.  You could pick up some other fighter at-will, and that could add a bit of flexibility.  And the feat would simply be a retrain out of Improved Grab, because you really don't need that much +grab due to the Brawler features.

Being in epic though, that's still a ways off.  Even though feats are precious, by that time there's a lot of room to take the shinies.

Could this build still be effective if I were to give up the Monk MC, and instead focus on either a heavy blade in main hand with headsmans chop and a spiked gauntlet in offhand, or perhaps just a rapier / shortsword?

It would free up a feat, but I am not sure what the cost would be of losing the monk MC.

Yea I definatly see how the monk class brings alot to the table for this build. I really am digging the idea of a striker / brawler, however my vision of the character weilds a sword in one hand, so I guess the best route for this is to hybrid rogue and pick up a rapier (or shortsword once I pickup shock trooper).

So basically my playstyle would be the same I think? Run in grab, get them prone, and spam riposte strike?