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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:35PM
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I'm just curious as to how many people out there are a fan of Vancian magic and like to see its return, or think there is a better way to do magic. This is meant as a simple yes/no thread to gauge the general consensus of the community. So...
Do you like Vancian magic?
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:35PM
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Sep 12, 2008
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No.
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(Ok, I know you said simple yes or no thread, but I'd prefer spell points as the default. Some sort of pool of resources for casters to draw from. Having to pre-memorize your spells then having them deleted from your memory rips immersion to shreds for me. Having a finite amount of magical endurance/resouces before you are tapped out makes dramatically more sense for me).
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:39PM
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Nov 13, 2011
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didn't like it in 2nd ed.
didn't like it in 3rd ed.
didn't mind much having daily abilities in 4th as it had some encounter based recharge.
don't like them in 5th ed.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:39PM
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I don't "like" any system of magic that doesn't have consequences.
But the Vacian system at least had flavor over the Marvel Vs. Capcom style.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:40PM
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Nov 13, 2011
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i'll take useability that i can add my own flavor to over the forced magical revolver any day.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:44PM
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May 24, 2012
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Yes/No... kind of. I'll take Vancian over uber-cool video game combos any day. But, I'd much prefer another system that makes sense within world. Perhaps Vancian works in grim or post-apocalyptic settings like Ravenloft or Dark Sun (coming from the Dying Earth series, after all)... But, I'd rather prefer magic being a growing experience that isn't cast and forget. Perhaps using it too much drains you, with scaling levels of fatigue and life drain for each extended use.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:45PM
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May 25, 2012
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Hate Vancian. I always house rule it out unless someone really wants to use it, what rarely happens.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:49PM
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Nope.
There may have been a short period, when I first learned how to play D&D, where I thought it was at all a good idea.
But then, yeah, I came to my senses.
It's dumb, not representative of the fantasy genre, largely disruptive to gameplay, and generally the worst choice for modelling the same idea (y'know, magic).
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(And no, my comments on this forum are not of the same tone or quality as my actual survey feedback.)
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:49PM
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May 26, 2012
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I like vancian. It makes the player of the cast act intellgently and think twice before using spells. For me it is what defines D&D spellcasters. In the cast of a wizard or cleric planning you spellbook is a chore but one that help you think through what is to come and prioritize.
Just me though. So many varied opinions and with each on opinions for and against.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 3:51PM
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@greatfrito: As I stated - I don't "like" Vancian magic, but do you really think 4th Edition was "representative of fantasy magic?"
May I have a reference?
4th Edition rituals did a far FAR better job of that.
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