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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:00AM
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May 27, 2012
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There's a line in the info on orcs that goes something like "In orc camps, there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse".
Look, given the way orcs and half orcs have been written in older editions (besides 4e, I guess), it's pretty obvious you're talking about rape here. That's really creepy, and saps any enthusiasm I had about D&Dnext. It's probably going to drive away some other women who play, too.
I mean, having a whole intelligent race be kind of evil is something I hate, especially with the weird racial implications that orcs have had sometimes. But that one sentence is something that should be pretty easy to change to something less offputting. Consider it at least, okay?
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:10AM
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Feb 25, 2012
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There's a line in the info on orcs that goes something like "In orc camps, there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse".
Look, given the way orcs and half orcs have been written in older editions (besides 4e, I guess), it's pretty obvious you're talking about rape here. That's really creepy, and saps any enthusiasm I had about D&Dnext. It's probably going to drive away some other women who play, too.
I mean, having a whole intelligent race be kind of evil is something I hate, especially with the weird racial implications that orcs have had sometimes. But that one sentence is something that should be pretty easy to change to something less offputting. Consider it at least, okay?
Whaat? That sounds so cool. Really evokes the imagination. Who knows if its rape? Saying "or worse" is a great tactic, it forces you to imagine what would be worse than theft or muder. Apparently for you, rape is the next step. It's like an ink blot. I think having such flavorful language is great. I love that they aren't shy to tell you just how orcs can be. I don't think anybody is going to say that just because the entry for orcs is like that there can't be a more peaceful orc community somewhere, exceptions are ever present in fantasy. But good descriptions of the average orc community being dark and evocatvie I like.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:12AM
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I really didn't get that at all. "Worse" just means a laundry list of nastyness that the writers don't want to sully the page with - torture, cannibalism, self-mutilation, beastiality, etc. The monster entry isn't the place to say "Although most orcs are evil, there are a few noble outcasts who struggle to throw off..." It would be wasteful and wearying to insert such a caveat into every intelligent monster entry. I'm sure there will be a small blurb at the beginning of the monster manual explaining that there are always exceptions to typical racial alignments.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:14AM
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Or worse can include... Torture, Slavery, EMO music (hehe), and yes rape. Which is no laughing matter. How much any of those play in your campaign is up to you and your DM.
Orcs are, and always have been in DnD, the most encountered example of an Evil race. They are meant to be, and alot of that comes from the sources DnD is based off. They are bad peoples who do bad things, and it's why the hero's oppose them. DnD can be as dark or lightly roleplayed as you and your group wishes to play, but it is often Mature themed by its very nature.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:24AM
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Some flavors of D&D describe orcs as "beast-men". Not an "intelligent race", but some kind of artificial, chaos-infused blight. Like demons. Nobody ever says, "but what about the poor 'good' demon"? Campaigns may vary, but as a default, most intelligent, evil monsters are, well, "monsters".
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:43AM
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I mean, having a whole intelligent race be kind of evil is something I hate, especially with the weird racial implications that orcs have had sometimes.
I agree. Then again, I hate the alignment system. Still, I'm going to side with Frostball. "Worse" is an ink blot that simply lets the reader imagine whatever awfulness is 'worse' for them. When I read it, the first thing that popped into my mind was sacrificing other orcs and captives to Gruumsh.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 11:59AM
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"Worse" imply very ugly backstory. It's probably going to drive away some other women who play, too.
I'm a woman who felt the 4e PHB2 half-orc origin jumble was a cop-out. (The idea a half-orc you were questioning would punch you in the face was a nice touch though.)
I'll admit, I'm probably not the best barometer for how large numbers of women would react. I find the idea of removing women in chainmail bikinis from gaming offensive. Yes, we need examples of women wearing sensible armor, but what we really need is a half-naked Jason Momoa fighting along side chainmail bikini babe.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 12:08PM
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LOL, Equality Now!
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 12:12PM
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There's a line in the info on orcs that goes something like "In orc camps, there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse".
Look, given the way orcs and half orcs have been written in older editions (besides 4e, I guess), it's pretty obvious you're talking about rape here. That's really creepy, and saps any enthusiasm I had about D&Dnext. It's probably going to drive away some other women who play, too.
I mean, having a whole intelligent race be kind of evil is something I hate, especially with the weird racial implications that orcs have had sometimes. But that one sentence is something that should be pretty easy to change to something less offputting. Consider it at least, okay?
Hmm... "there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse."
Sounds like it could describe many real life human cities in 2012. Just watch the 9'o'clock news, really.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 12:23PM
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There's a line in the info on orcs that goes something like "In orc camps, there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse".
Look, given the way orcs and half orcs have been written in older editions (besides 4e, I guess), it's pretty obvious you're talking about rape here. That's really creepy, and saps any enthusiasm I had about D&Dnext. It's probably going to drive away some other women who play, too.
I mean, having a whole intelligent race be kind of evil is something I hate, especially with the weird racial implications that orcs have had sometimes. But that one sentence is something that should be pretty easy to change to something less offputting. Consider it at least, okay?
Hmm... "there's a lot of theft, murder, and worse."
Sounds like it could describe many real life human cities in 2012. Just watch the 9'o'clock news, really.
Well since 80% of your choices and personality are informed by your environment, yeah I can see a large percentage of Orcs being evil. Also go look up the vikings. They were basically what Orcs represent...
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