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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:07AM
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Xun, are there not different ways to steal things? Or are you seriously saying that, in terms of the skills used, climbing up the side of a building, opening a window, slinking inside a bedroom, and stealing the shiny things
IS THE SAME THING AS
Sneaking up behind somebody and knocking them in the head with a club, and rifling through their pockets while they're on the ground
WHICH IS THE SAME THING AS
"Accidentally" bumping into someone and picking their pocket.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:13AM
#12
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
Date Joined:
May 31, 2003
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Xun, are there not different ways to steal things? Or are you seriously saying that, in terms of the skills used, climbing up the side of a building, opening a window, slinking inside a bedroom, and stealing the shiny things
IS THE SAME THING AS
Sneaking up behind somebody and knocking them in the head with a club, and rifling through their pockets while they're on the ground
WHICH IS THE SAME THING AS
"Accidentally" bumping into someone and picking their pocket.
You never fully read things do you?
I already know there are multiple ways of stealing things and I have already said this. Picking a pocket is different from sneaking into someone's house and stealing their stuff. You don't have to be good with sleight of hand to pull this off. You could actually kick in someone's door while they are away and take their things.
Picking Pockets and having a sleigh of hand are another kettle of fish. I don't know about you but when I imagine a young boy on streets, especially in a medieval type setting, I imagine them using their little hands to reach into big pockets and stealing coins, or untying their coin purse from their belt without them knowing.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:13AM
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Jan 21, 2004
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Plus they have said that you will be able to customise - the packets of skills are just guides for easy character building. If none of the pre-designed packages quite does it for you just build your own. The fact that many of us can conceptualise a thief who doesn't pick pockets is precisely why those kinds of thieves should be an option. I don't doubt that your version will be an option too.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:19AM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
Date Joined:
May 31, 2003
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The problem is trying to break it up into too many parts.
They have already made a Thief rogue scheme but another name for a thief that picks pockets is a cutpurse. Why would you sit there and create a whole nother scheme just to pick a pocket when the thief scheme does that just fine. A cutpurse is a type of thief but in the context of the game, the thief is a type of rogue.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:27AM
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May 24, 2012
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They have already made a Thief rogue scheme but another name for a thief that picks pockets is a cutpurse.
Not in this context. In this context, a Thief picks locks and disables traps, but does not pick pockets. A Cutpurse picks pockets, but might not pick locks or disable traps.
Why would you sit there and create a whole nother scheme just to pick a pocket when the thief scheme does that just fine.
Because the Thief doesn't do that, obviously.
A cutpurse is a type of thief but in the context of the game, the thief is a type of rogue.
No, A Cutpurse and a Thief are both types of Rogue. The context is important here.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 9:55AM
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Jan 27, 2010
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But the hafling is not a thief, he is a rogue? 1. a dishonest, knavish person; scoundrel. 2. a playfully mischievous person; scamp: The youngest boys arelittle rogues. 3. a tramp or vagabond. 5. Biology . a usually inferior organism, especially a plant,varying markedly from the normal.
verb (used without object)6. to live or act as a rogue.
Verb (used with object)
7. to cheat.
8. to uproot or destroy (plants, etc., that do not conform to adesired standard).
9. to perform this operation upon: to rogue a field. adjective10. (of an animal) having an abnormally savage or unpredictabledisposition, as a rogue elephant. 11. no longer obedient, belonging, or accepted and hence notcontrollable or answerable; deviating, renegade: a rogue cop;a rogue union local. I have chosen to highlight the sentences that makes gives most meaning to me, as to what a Rogue is. As you can see, the definition is not that a rogue is someone who steals per se, but someone who could be uncrontrollable aka outside the law. So it does not shut out the idea of stealing. That being said :P I do understand why many people, myself included has always viewed the picture of a traditional rogue as a pickpocketing, backstabbing stealth master. A thing i also find fun, is that the Halfling playtest rogue, is a commoner as a background with animal handling??(maybe a horse thief?) :P I lolled! It is a refreshed way to look at the rogue concept. He doenst have any of the classic rogue abilities either: bluff, streetwise, acrobatics... appraise? :P etc Edit: Sorry for retarded space between sentences :P
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 9:56AM
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A rogue is not necessarily a thief, a thief is not necessarily a rogue.
It's not complicated.
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 10:02AM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
Date Joined:
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A rogue is not necessarily a thief, a thief is not necessarily a rogue.
It's not complicated.
For Joon and Salla:
The halfling is a rogue with the "Thief" rogue scheme.
I know the difference and I know what a rogue and a thief are. Go and look at the rogue's character sheet on page 2 under "Class Features".
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 10:08AM
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Jan 27, 2010
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A rogue is not necessarily a thief, a thief is not necessarily a rogue.
It's not complicated.
For Joon and Salla:
The halfling is a rogue with the "Thief" rogue scheme.
I know the difference and I know what a rogue and a thief are. Go and look at the rogue's character sheet on page 2 under "Class Features".
oh ****! didnt see that  i fail at life
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13 months ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 10:26AM
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Jun 17, 2005
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I think Xun's overall point is a valid piece of feedback, and I have to agree with the observation. I think that the Rogue Scheme: Thief should include a bonus to picking pockets.
Mike Mearls regarding feedback for D&D Next: "The big thing is to avoid snark and an overly antagonistic attitude. We're human, and it's easy to tune out someone who comes across as a crank."
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