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May 26, 2012 -- 3:13PM, Darkwolf_Bloodsbane wrote:

May 26, 2012 -- 3:09PM, Cypher2009 wrote:

Telling D&D5 playtesters to "play 4E if you like tactical combat" is superflous.

The whole idea of D&D5 is to unite players of all editions.

The playtest SO FAR is more a nod to old-school OD&D players than to the latest published edition.

Healing starts at 0 hit points, chars heal fully over night (not a good idea though) and wizards have at will powers (Magic Missile). That's about it that's left of 4E. Disheartening.

You forgot the Hit Dice, described by my friend as "wannabe healing surges."

And full overnight healing is not a good idea.

Itr's a GREAT one.

Just like Martial Healing.

Healing surges were one of the deal breakers for me and 4th edition. I actually like the hit dice mechanic, but propose that ALL healing has to be done through hit dice. So when you take your long rest you get them all back but you still have to spend them to keep healing until you are up to full. This seems like a nice compromise between  instant healing/realistic healing.

May 26, 2012 -- 3:42AM, Cypher2009 wrote:

Despite the promise to serve fans of ALL D&D editions the playtest rules (so far) offer nothing what made 4E great:

* No Opportunity Attacks (AoO) (which also work fine in ToM games)
* No flanking
* No interesting forced movement options for a dynamic battlefield
* Measurements in feet instead of international squares (WotC, just add a square number behind every feet!)
* No interesting combat options you could envoke "once in a while" (not to say "encounter power")


I'm disappointed that we didn't get an alternative rules modul for grid combat as promised to playtest with.

1) AoO - Agree

2) Flanking - Agree

3) Forced movement - See page 10 Actions in Combat "Improvise" this plus imagination = "Conditions" page 14.

4) personaly prefer feat but wouldnt care if there was a /x behind the number

5) See #3



But like others have said this is the barebones basics. There surveys clearly showed that the 4e playerbase WANTS some sort of maneuvers, and I believe we will see it. My wife stated today that she missed the cool powers, where as the rest of the party said they loved the old fashioned feel.

I cant believe that they would state over and over again to unite the player base and would completely ignore powers. I see it working like this:

Rogues get +1d6 per level of sneak attack. Trade in xd6 for a permanant maneuver. This was discussed in a desighners thread

Same thing with fighters but trading in the awesomely powerfull Fighter surge for maneuvers.

May 26, 2012 -- 6:31AM, Bruhmm wrote:

D&D isn't a tactical war game. It's origin may be from there, but it grew into something bigger, better, and more about fantasy and storytelling. This is what made the game great. Then, 4e came out and went back to a more tactical war game feel...and it failed. While I agree that there's always been a need for good strategy and combat rules, I think 4e went too far. If a more complex, tactical war game is what you want, there are other games out there that already do that, like Warhammer.

I'm going to try to be nice.

You are not in ANY position to dictate what D&D is. You do not have any authority WHATSOEVER over what happens at my table. If you do not like tactical combat that's fine don't use it. But DO NOT tell me I can't have it.

Who do you think you are? What is it with you conceited 4E bashers thinking you can dictate what other people play? How can you be so full of yourself as to think you know what other people should like?

I have to say it, althugh it appears others will disagree. It didn't feel good to be fired as a customer when 4e came out, and right now I feel like I'm about to be fired again.

I can completely relate to that feeling. I was totally confused when 4th Edition came out. It just felt like an entirely different game, yet the game I had been playing was no longer supported at all. Thank God for Pathfinder.

I've got renewed hope now. I'm hoping this might be a game I can start playing, rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

And that's not a knock against those who enjoyed 4th Edition. I'm sure if I'd had the budget and time to assemble a good quality set of tiles and get minis, I'd have quite enjoyed its more tactical approach to things.