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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 1:18AM #51
Mithreinmaethor
Date Joined: May 23, 2005
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Since we dont have the creation rules I can only speak to the older rules that some of us had access to. In them they showed a value (1/2 the HD rounded down) that you could take instead of rolling for the Hps. I do not know if that made it into this iteration of the rules however.

I know I let people roll and take the higher of the 2. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 1:26AM #52
Luis_Carlos
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2006
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Other option would if dices are thown but gamer doesn´t like that number he could throw again but must get the second one.
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 3:00AM #53
Style75
Date Joined: Oct 25, 2009
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May 25, 2012 -- 12:34AM, Aldrein wrote:

Men, it's no big deal. One nice thing about it dice is this: you want them random? Roll them. You want static? Use max or medium value. Furthermore paytest characters have not random hp.




Amen.

Thank you for being so bloody logical. There's far too much anger over this playtest for rules elements that are completely flexible to suit your own play style.

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 3:04AM #54
Jackelxing
Date Joined: May 24, 2012
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Also we have the old school way ...  Rool your die, If roll is lower than Con mod add con mod.  If higher add Half con mod rounded down.  OR Just roll and add con mod.  

 
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 3:12AM #55
RPJesus
Date Joined: Nov 27, 2005
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May 24, 2012 -- 7:35PM, Medhia_Nox wrote:

Is the idea of "House Rules" really the devil to some people?

Some people seem physically/mentally incapable of simply saying: "Don't like, must change."



You're right. You should check out this awesome new RPG that just came out. It requires a bit of house ruling, but I mean only idiots can't handle that.

Zammm = Batman.
Bronies unite.
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Jul 29, 2012 -- 9:56PM, ChaosLight wrote:


Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.


Oct 18, 2012 -- 11:06AM, SteelWall wrote:

Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.


Oct 26, 2012 -- 8:17AM, Chaikov wrote:

Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.



Dec 3, 2012 -- 10:18PM, Splattercat wrote:


Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. 
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:

Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." 
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."

I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.

Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.


My DM on Battleminds:

no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.





Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:28PM, Iam_IronMan wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 5:20PM, Jerrymm91 wrote:

Hi guys!  So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic.  I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked.  Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon.  Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in.  Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play.  I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's.  However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks.  I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real.  I want to begin playing it as a regular.  My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck?  Or are there special rules?  Are some cards forbidden or restricted?  Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol. 


I have the same problem with women.




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Jan 7, 2012 -- 6:59PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.



Dec 2, 2012 -- 1:39PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.



Dec 17, 2012 -- 4:27PM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.




Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:40AM, ArtVenn wrote:

I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.

O' Jesus

Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle.

Amen.


Feb 17, 2011 -- 3:08AM, ArtVenn wrote:

Feb 16, 2011 -- 6:43PM, RPJesus wrote:

It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think  about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills


Seriously, that was amazing.  I laughed my *ss off.  Made my day, and I just woke up.


ArtVenn
You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.




Jan 11, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Salla wrote:

Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:37AM, Ogiwan wrote:


.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?



Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again?

Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.


May 16, 2011 -- 12:18PM, Salla wrote:

I don't say this often, but ...

LOL



May 10, 2010 -- 7:37AM, AivaRuin wrote:



You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...

Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.

And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.



Jun 29, 2011 -- 11:05AM, Lineov wrote:

Jun 28, 2011 -- 2:44PM, Litmus wrote:



I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here.  ...



Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic


Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:37PM, febbstalicious42 wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 11:35PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 16, 2012 -- 9:58PM, HeartlessNobody wrote:

we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary


So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?


I lol'd.


Oct 26, 2011 -- 11:40PM, zammm wrote:

Oct 26, 2011 -- 7:43PM, TyGuy42 wrote:

Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?

The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."



Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:41AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

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Feb 9, 2012 -- 5:49AM, ORC_Ragnar wrote:

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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?



I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?

Right.



Mar 9, 2012 -- 3:32PM, Garthanos wrote:

Mar 7, 2012 -- 4:54PM, RPJesus wrote:


Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).



Mar 19, 2012 -- 5:07PM, Kalnaur wrote:

Mar 19, 2012 -- 4:41PM, DoctorBadWolf wrote:


This just won the argument, AFAIC.



That's just awesome.



May 12, 2010 -- 9:36AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

May 11, 2010 -- 5:46PM, Master_Yumyums wrote:

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?!  WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!



That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.

And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.

He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).



Dec 16, 2011 -- 10:16AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:


+10



Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:23PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:13PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jun 24, 2012 -- 8:02PM, tehbeast wrote:

heaven or hell.


Round 1. Lets rock.



GG quotes!

RPJesus just made this thread win!



Jul 25, 2012 -- 12:06AM, WhiteRaven810 wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 6:26PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jul 23, 2012 -- 5:47PM, felisdomesticus wrote:


Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS.  I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about:  creatures.


Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .



You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.



On what flavor text fits me:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 12:55AM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius ?



Sep 15, 2012 -- 4:24PM, Dragon_Nut wrote:


First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.



Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:31PM, Banderbear wrote:


I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.



Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:46AM, royk wrote:



I you loads



Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:27PM, TV_Casualty wrote:

Jan 20, 2013 -- 10:17PM, RPJesus wrote:

"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran


10/10. Amazing.



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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 3:31AM #56
RadiantD
Date Joined: May 25, 2012
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You have to understand that while some players will want a balanced, linear progression, others will prefer randomization at every turn. Personally, my favorite campaigns are AD&D, 3d6 in order for stats (no rerolls, naturally), and rounded off with your hit-die roll. Sure, occasionally you ended up with a character that barely meets the requirements for Fighter and ends up with only 1 hp, but hey, you'll learn to improvise. I don't want to limit the narrative or playstyle opportunities of any other player, so I would like there to be base growth for those that want it, while keeping randomization as well.
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 3:41AM #57
PVX300B
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2009
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Salla has the right of it: no element of character creation or advancement should be randomized.

For those of you asserting the use of houserules to give maximum (or average) hit points: you have it backwards.  The game needs to be solidly designed from the foundation up, with good core mechanics.  There's nothing wrong with a sidebar detailing a rule that allows characters to roll randomly for hit points, but the base, core mechanic needs to stay clear of randomization.
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 4:21AM #58
gothikaiju
Date Joined: Apr 28, 2009
Posts: 548

May 24, 2012 -- 10:18PM, dardor wrote:

The pregens have fixed HP increases that just happen to be half of their hit die. I agree that it seems like Wizards has very low confidence in hit die if they won't even let us roll for HP on the level ups of the pre-gens. I mentioned on the Playtest Packet forum that this is probably because they're "afraid" to hear QQ from playtesters who got screwed over by low hit die rolls...which really brings up the question, why "fix" the playtest to not have a problem that they're going to be expecting? Why not just remove the problem?




This is what I've been thinking since I saw the first round of pregens months ago. Hit Points are a pretty big part of the game, and if the default is rolling for them, we really should be testing that system from day one, imo.

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 4:28AM #59
Olrox17
Date Joined: Jul 23, 2010
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May 25, 2012 -- 3:41AM, PVX300B wrote:

Salla has the right of it: no element of character creation or advancement should be randomized.

For those of you asserting the use of houserules to give maximum (or average) hit points: you have it backwards.  The game needs to be solidly designed from the foundation up, with good core mechanics.  There's nothing wrong with a sidebar detailing a rule that allows characters to roll randomly for hit points, but the base, core mechanic needs to stay clear of randomization.




+1

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 5:30AM #60
WhiteHarness
Date Joined: Oct 4, 2004
Posts: 693
Keep randomly-rolled hit points in!

It is dull and boring for every xth-level character of a given class to have the exact same amount of hit points. 

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