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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 2:02PM #21
Xallin
Date Joined: Oct 2, 2007
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May 24, 2012 -- 1:59PM, Salla wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 1:51PM, Xallin wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Andrelai wrote:

+1 to all abilities seems like a very human sort of bonus, and I don't think it sucks at all.  Humans are supposed to be the most flexible and adaptable race, and with ability scores not improving as much in the long term, those extra points will turn out to be a bigger deal than you might think.


A plus one or 2 to a stat would be a boon.  I'd like to point out I said that extra skill points would be lame as most people I know don't use a point buy system to generate stats.




Not that I support rolling stats, but ...

Couldn't you just roll the stats then add the point(s) somewhere?


I suppose you could, and its better than a kick in the teeth but still not as enticing as dark vision, or a re-roll.  Extra feat was always an awesome bonus.

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 2:09PM #22
Thomson
Date Joined: Mar 17, 2001
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They would be really tough if they would get +1 to all ability scores, but I seriously doubt that.
Ceterum censeo scrinium puniceum esse delendam
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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 2:49PM #23
ShinQuickMan
Date Joined: Mar 19, 2004
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Since stats cap at 20, wouldn't +1 on everything account for something?

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 2:52PM #24
Xallin
Date Joined: Oct 2, 2007
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May 24, 2012 -- 2:49PM, ShinQuickMan wrote:

Since stats cap at 20, wouldn't +1 on everything account for something?


where did you read that stats cap at 20?

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:03PM #25
Nuorn
Date Joined: Feb 9, 2012
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May 24, 2012 -- 2:01PM, NumberOneTheLarch wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 1:45PM, Gunthar wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 1:40PM, abchurch wrote:


What ever happened to D&D being a role- (verses roll-) playing game?




What's with these morons who think good math/design somehow inhibits roleplaying?




What's with these people who think name calling is appropriate or even neccesary when discussing a game where a bunch of dudes or dudettes sit around a table and pretend to be wizards and knights and shiz?




This. ^^


On topic: What would be an example of a well done human race?


o Stat bonus? Obviously not (enough)? Done before.

o Skill bonus? Obviously not (enough)? Done before.

o A write-up with strange and exciting special abilities? Maybe, but wouldn't we lose the non-exotic standard race by that? Of course the classical counter is flexibility, adaptibility in racial powers/feats/multiclassing. Done before.

So how would you do it?            

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:32PM #26
Alitain
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It does seem like Humans are lackluster.  Sure, they're suppose to be middle ground but...so far they are bland.  If they only get a +1 to stats I mean it makes sense because of how Next seems to be set in terms of defenses it's equivalent to the +1 defense bonus they get now in 4e.  A +1 to those stats I think from my understanding of the rules in terms of being attacked, saving throws, etc, would give them a little extra edge over other races.  Though it does make me think that most of the max builds will be based on a human race because of the extra +1 to everything.

Nuorn-
A skill bonus could be nice, or some such.  Just because it's been done before doesn't make it anathema to being done again.  I mean look at the Dwarves and Elves, they keep the same basic traits from edition to edition pretty much.  Or at least from 4th to Next.  
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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:35PM #27
Lux-
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Based on the stat blocks in the sample characters, it looks like Humans get a +1 to all abilities and then an additional +2 to an ability of their choice.  That seems pretty good to me.
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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:37PM #28
Xallin
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Nuorn

  I think 4th ed handled it well, a feat, a skill bonus, and a def bonus.  I think Pathfinder hit the nail on the head as well with a +2 to one stat and a feat and skill bonus.  Those things really sell the idea of human diversity.  As far as new ideas, I always though breaking humans down into sub groups would be cool. (Aisan, Egyptian, African, ect for example) and haveing each ethnicity gain different racial bonuses.  That also sells the idea of diversity, and is part of what makes the human race so cool. 
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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:39PM #29
DaMidWestNinja
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May 24, 2012 -- 3:37PM, Xallin wrote:

Nuorn

  I think 4th ed handled it well, a feat, a skill bonus, and a def bonus.  I think Pathfinder hit the nail on the head as well with a +2 to one stat and a feat and skill bonus.  Those things really sell the idea of human diversity.  As far as new ideas, I always though breaking humans down into sub groups would be cool. (Aisan, Egyptian, African, ect for example) and haveing each ethnicity gain different racial bonuses.  That also sells the idea of diversity, and is part of what makes the human race so cool. 





LOL! Racisim problems really fast.

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 3:40PM #30
Eisenritter
Date Joined: Oct 16, 2009
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Bah, 'umies needed to get knocked down a few pegs...
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