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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 12:20AM #41
ShinQuickMan
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May 24, 2012 -- 2:52PM, Xallin wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 2:49PM, ShinQuickMan wrote:

Since stats cap at 20, wouldn't +1 on everything account for something?


where did you read that stats cap at 20?




Read page 3 in "How to Play", under Ability Scores.

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 1:48AM #42
TorianT
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19 point buy, starting with 10/10/10/10/10/8, same table as 4th with +1 for your main attribute and the human +1 to all seems to fit.
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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 5:54AM #43
JohnLynch
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Here's my write up on a human stat block:

Humans

  • +1 to all ability scores: Humans are able to survive in a wide variety of climates and so their bodies are best suited to adapting to the local conditions.
  • Versatile: Humans get an additional +1 to their first level class’s favoured ability score.
  • Speed: Humans have a base speed of 30 feet.
  • Savings: Humans start level 1 with an extra 90gp.
  • Languages: Common.

Thanyou to the person who worked out how the human stat blocks worked. It was driving me crazy.

Flavourwise you don't get much, but given fighters and clerics seem to start with around 160gp while wizards and rogues only start with 75gp, the bonuses are actually mechanically sound. I typically look for the most flavour for humans in the campaign setting anyway.
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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:29AM #44
Haldrik
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May 24, 2012 -- 12:44PM, Xallin wrote:

It's pretty clear cut that the dwarf, elf, and halfling get some cool racial abilities, but the human looks like he got the shaft.  Humans don't see to get any bonus feat or skill points or skill bonuses, or anything.  They appear to be a plain jane, dull race like they were back in 2nd edition.  No one played humans then and if my assumptions are correct and they did get screwed no one will play them now.  3rd, 3.5, 4th and Paizo all did something to address this, I hope this isn't an oversight.  




Wow.


Humans are brokenly good.


They get plus one to every ability.


But all the other races get nothing.



What would I rather have? +1 to everything or else stare at shadows?         Guess which I pick.




Humans rule. I would never play any other race again.        

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:09AM #45
talok55
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The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.
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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:12AM #46
JohnLynch
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May 25, 2012 -- 7:09AM, talok55 wrote:

The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.



It doesn't say anywhere but I believe Dwarves get +1 Strength, halflings get +1 dex and elves get +1 int 

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:17AM #47
Xallin
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May 25, 2012 -- 7:09AM, talok55 wrote:

The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.


I think it all depends on what the other races get for bonuses as well.  I mean I can't really see them dropping the elves dex bonus, or the dwarves con bonus.  (Maybe they have I haven't done the math)  Extra money at level 1 is kinda a stupid perk if you ask me, sure you can get some better gear but I don't know it kinda feels phoned in.

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:18AM #48
Haldrik
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May 25, 2012 -- 7:09AM, talok55 wrote:

The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.




No, according to this play test, none of the races got any racial bonus, except human.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:22AM #49
Xallin
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May 25, 2012 -- 7:18AM, Haldrik wrote:

May 25, 2012 -- 7:09AM, talok55 wrote:

The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.




No, according to this play test, none of the races got any racial bonus, except human.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...


That thread didn't say anything official about other races not getting bonuses.  One guy did say the following.

The OP is correct as far as I can see, except fighters get +1 con, not +1 strength (that bonus is coming from being a dwarf). All IMO 

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13 months ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 7:40AM #50
Haldrik
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May 25, 2012 -- 7:22AM, Xallin wrote:

May 25, 2012 -- 7:18AM, Haldrik wrote:

May 25, 2012 -- 7:09AM, talok55 wrote:

The other races do get bonuses, dont they?  Anyway, humans may be bland, but they don't suck.  Think of it this way, how many powegamers would rush to play a human in 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder if they got a +1 to all stats and then another +1 to their class's main stat?  Yeah, that's what I thought.




No, according to this play test, none of the races got any racial bonus, except human.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...


That thread didn't say anything official about other races not getting bonuses.  One guy did say the following.

The OP is correct as far as I can see, except fighters get +1 con, not +1 strength (that bonus is coming from being a dwarf). All IMO 




The person that said that is wrong. His “IMO” is incorrect.


The other races got no racial bonuses. Thats just what the numbers mean.  

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