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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 6:55AM
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I want to emphasize the importance of not viewing the playtest in prior edition glasses. Try to take it on its own merits.
I know this is difficult, for I had to read through the packet several times to clear the previous editions' notions from my head. Once I read the packet without previous edition bias or expectation, many things made a lot more sense.
Surely though isnt your'e experience with a previous edition going to determine whether or not you would want to make the switch. This isnt a completely new company coming to the market this is a company who replaced editions or models with - clearly in their opinion, at the time, better editions or models and now what - we take everything and place it into a pick list and you build your own RPG to build your own adventures....
I absolutely will look at the playtest with a view on what I as a DM and player enjoy the most about the current version I play and if the newer edition doesnt allow me to play the same or BETTER will simply either not upgrade (because thats ultimately what it is) or switch to another ruleset.
The reality is right now you cannot compare this packet to anything else because its not complete. You need to see everything in its entirety - or at least elements of everything to deterime if this is going to be a good system or not and worthy of future investment....
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 8:53AM
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Thank you, Mand. Your post is an oasis of clear-headed reason in a desert that seems bereft of it.
Playtest or get off the playtest boards.
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I want justice for the voice that can't be heard
Vindication for every suffering and hurt
Let retribution hold dominion over earth
--Nemesis, VNV Nation
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 9:38AM
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I give full props to Mand12 for his statements, but I for one cannot look at the playtest without my past edition glasses, and challenge that anyone can. However, that's not to say i cannot view it objectively like Mand12 goes on to stress.
But, I have played EVERY version of D&D minus 3.0 (missed that at college) and LOVED every single one of them. If you'd ask me to go play edition X, I'd be happy to.
The ONLY edition that has ever turned me off so much was 4e. Not because of the new game style, because they constantly kept changing the game mechanics. I felt like for 4 years or so I was beta testing. I stopped buying any books and were stright to the DDi, the printed material was usless, in my opinion.
So, all that said, seeing the playtest is fine for me, but I personally need to judge this based on how solid I feel the game is, and how static it will remain. Something I won't get from the playtest and frankly, I'm not sure I can ever get.
So then to fall back on past edition glasses, the only way I can judge this is what parts of old editions did they take and leave behind. Is that enough to passify me in this new (horridly named) edition?
Browncoats Unite...
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 4:18PM
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Excellent advice! Especially for my group's wary power gamer  Thank you! Everyone spread the words here - they're invaluable.
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 5:50PM
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I have played every D&D since there has been D&D. I learned to love every edition for its own unique ideas. i admit it took a little longer with 4e. D&D next is off to a good start. I eagerly await the next play test installment. 
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 11:15PM
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Ditto, oldgamergeek... I even got my then girlfriend, now wife to play for a few years! Heheh. I know that WotC wants to hear feedback both positive and negative... and we should all say what we like, what we don't but more importantly why. Say what works, what doesn't. I've seen some posters on here go all medieval on how much they hate something... um, yeah, great, good for you. Now why don't you go hate on your own time and try to offer some meaningful contribution to the process. If you love the game like I do and want to have a hand in making it better, participate, don't hate...
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1 year ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 11:27PM
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Great Post ! If it was possible i'd suggest that all those amazing points be narrated by Mand12 himself in a recorded message, rolling in loop, whenever you enter any of the D&D Next Forums section. So to remind people... 
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 2:17AM
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Yeah, I think everyone needs to mellow a bit and focus on what's in front of them. We were warned that this would be a very simple core, and that this core would probably look a lot like TSR's D&D. That doesn't mean we have no right to speak up if the game stops there, but we can do a lot more good right now by judging the playtest material in the context of what the rules are intended to do, not what we'd like them to do.
Ed_Warlord, on what it takes to make a thread work: I think for it to be really constructive, everyone would have to be honest with each other, and with themselves. Quotation of the moment
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Areleth: How does this help the problems we have with Fighters? Do you think that every time I thought I was playing D&D what I was actually doing was slamming my head in a car door and that if you just explain how to play without doing that then I'll finally enjoy the game?
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TD: That's why they put me on the front of every book. This is the dungeon, and I am the dragon.
A word of warning though: I'm totally not a level appropriate encounter.
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 7:23AM
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I think Mand is trying to break the internet with this kind of thinking. Rational thinking? Considered posting? This is just crazy talk.
Seriously, though; great post. I have already found things in my first reading that I like and hope will be retained, and things I don't that I hope get re-worked or ditched. That said, I know that until I get a few people together and give it whirl I won't really be able to provide feedback.
I am an 30+ year player of D&D - all editions. My playtest group is hopefully going to consist of another player I have gamed with since the beginning, one who has only played 4e and one who has never played D&D at all. Should be interesting to see what comes of that.
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:46AM
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Great post, Mand!
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