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Switch to Forum Live View How optimized can Acid be as a damage type?
1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 7:53PM #1
RazielDevrim
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2006
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I recently built a Tyfling Fire Elementalist mc wizard that was good damage and accuracy and I was wondering can you do the same thing with a Water Elementalist? =0) Thanks in advance.
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 7:59PM #2
masa
Date Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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don't Water Elementalists cause cold damage?
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 8:06PM #3
Matyr
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Dborn DSorc with Acid as breath.  Draconic Spellcaster + Mordant Weapon + Burning Vapors?  Thats what I would do for acid, but its not an elementalist.
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 8:13PM #4
zelink551
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Acid is, simply put, not well supported. There are only a couple of feats I know of, none of which are very good
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 9:20PM #5
Koshinuke
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The few acid feats I can recall are wizard feats or only affect wizard spells.
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 10:24PM #6
Alcestis
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Not very to not at all.
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1 year ago  ::  May 13, 2012 - 11:38PM #7
erachima
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Basically no. You'll get CON damage on a miss, that's pretty much it.

I'd go so far as to say using acid is negative optimization, since you're expending options to not improve anything.
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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 4:47AM #8
Ghorrin
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May 13, 2012 -- 11:38PM, erachima wrote:

Basically no. You'll get CON damage on a miss, that's pretty much it.




I'm curious, don't people tend to get all Pavlovian-drooling over this exact thing when it's called "Hammer Rythm" instead of "Acid Splash?"  I'm guessing the difference is that the former feat is just one piece of several, while with the latter, it's the whole ballgame.

Later on,
Ghorrin

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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 4:52AM #9
erachima
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Not at all. The only thing in the game that cares about Hammer Rhythm is the Brutal Barrage spamming morninglord, which thanks to most of its damage being independent of needing to hit, appreciates it for an extra 25ish DPR.
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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 6:10AM #10
mellored
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2008
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May 14, 2012 -- 4:52AM, erachima wrote:

Not at all. The only thing in the game that cares about Hammer Rhythm is the Brutal Barrage spamming morninglord, which thanks to most of its damage being independent of needing to hit, appreciates it for an extra 25ish DPR.


Except you shouldnt' be missing 5 tmies.  Even a revenant BB+BR build will only miss 2~3 times.
Edit:  which is ~25 dpr.

I could it being used in an intentional missing / perma-stealth build.  But acid would hardly be the centerpiece.

The only other feats are..
Burning vapors, which could have some use with a defender hitting itself.
And Dissolving Breath, which while nice, doesn't mesh well with the usual breath recharge method.

Item wise...
Staff of Corrosion is solid, though it doesn't scale.
Wave of Sorrow, could be built upon (teifling save ends stuff), but it's level 30.  (and who would use a greatsword at that point)?


The plus side, is very very little resists acid.

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