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akaddk
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May 13, 2012 5:42 PM PDT
...get Spiked Chain Training AND Surprising Charge as a non-rogue/fighter (pure) class?
...get Spiked Chain Training AND Surprising Charge as a non-rogue/fighter (pure) class?
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 5:49 PM PDT
No, but I think you already know the answer to this.
No, but I think you already know the answer to this.
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akaddk
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May 13, 2012 5:51 PM PDT
No, but I think you already know the answer to this.
Yes, you're right, I am omniscient and was just using this thread to test you mortals.
Yes, you're right, I am omniscient and was just using this thread to test you mortals.
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RuinsFate
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May 13, 2012 5:53 PM PDT
Traveler's Harlequin. (Not LFR legal, if that's your next question)
Traveler's Harlequin. (Not LFR legal, if that's your next question)
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 5:53 PM PDT
one requires a MC, the other requires you to be of a class you're not. What else do you expect?
one requires a MC, the other requires you to be of a class you're not. What else do you expect?
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Sceptile
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May 13, 2012 5:57 PM PDT
Be a Bard? That should still work, right?
Be a Bard? That should still work, right?
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 6:00 PM PDT
I assumed he was trying to be a striker, else why grab those two feats?
I assumed he was trying to be a striker, else why grab those two feats?
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Sceptile
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May 13, 2012 6:03 PM PDT
Well, yeah, I'm not sure what the point of that would be, but it DOES solve the problem.
Well, yeah, I'm not sure what the point of that would be, but it DOES solve the problem.
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 6:05 PM PDT
Charging Bards make tons of sense...
Charging Bards make tons of sense...
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Noctaem
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May 13, 2012 6:10 PM PDT
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post. Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post. Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
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Jugulator007
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May 13, 2012 6:24 PM PDT
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post. Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?".
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?".
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 6:32 PM PDT
leave him alone he is channelling Erachma and its funny
leave him alone he is channelling Erachma and its funny
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akaddk
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May 13, 2012 6:47 PM PDT
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post. Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?".
And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!
Funny how that works in an exception-based system.
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?". [/quote]And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!Funny how that works in an exception-based system.
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Tech-Priest
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May 13, 2012 6:51 PM PDT
leave him alone he is channelling Erachma and its funny
Seconded.
Questions like this should be asked elsewhere, or not at all- It's not CharOp material, and thus has no use here.
Seconded. Questions like this should be asked elsewhere, or not at all- It's not CharOp material, and thus has no use here.
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Jugulator007
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May 13, 2012 6:58 PM PDT
you seem to be pretty abrasive right now zelink, against pretty much anyone who dares to post. Calm down a bit, it's getting offensive.
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?".
And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!
Funny how that works in an exception-based system.
As you're in charop, "that is worth doing" is assumed to be added to every question. The answer is no. Sure I COULD be a bard and MC every class, but why would I?
In his defense, it is kind of a silly question. "Can I get something that has prerequisites without meeting them?". [/quote]And yet, OMG! There's a way of doing it!Funny how that works in an exception-based system. [/quote]As you're in charop, "that
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 7:28 PM PDT
Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that
Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that :)
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Reg06
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May 13, 2012 8:27 PM PDT
Where should OP ask this question? Seriously Char Op. OP could have asked General Discussion or the Rules & FAQ, but if someone has a question to about building a character there is literally no other place better at putting things that shouldn't work together in a way that is awesome.
Even if OP already knew the answer, but also knew s/he lacked the system mastery of many Char Oppers, then OP is still right in thinking that somebody here might know of a sneaky way around the problem.
Where should OP ask this question? Seriously Char Op. OP could have asked General Discussion or the Rules & FAQ, but if someone has a question to about building a character there is literally no other place better at putting things that shouldn't wor
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 8:44 PM PDT
Simple Question/Simple answer
Simple Question/Simple answer
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Jugulator007
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May 13, 2012 9:05 PM PDT
Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that
Would you go frostcheese or morninglord to achieve max KPR with that Z? DUH! Frostcheesed twin-striking half-elf bardentficeruidlordamanic!
Here!
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
HerpDerp, level 11
Half-Elf, Bard, Traveler's Harlequin
Bardic Virtue Option: Virtue of Cunning
Half-Elf Power Selection Option: Dilettante
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 12, CON 14, DEX 19, INT 13, WIS 16, CHA 15
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 11, DEX 17, INT 11, WIS 13, CHA 13
AC: 24 Fort: 20 Ref: 23 Will: 22
HP: 76 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 19
TRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +11, Bluff +12, Endurance +11, Heal +13, Insight +15, Nature +13, Perception +13, Religion +11
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +9, Athletics +6, Diplomacy +10, Dungeoneering +9, History +7, Intimidate +8, Stealth +9, Streetwise +8, Thievery +9
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Bard Feature: Majestic Word
Bard Feature: Words of Friendship
Shaman Feature: Call Spirit Companion
Shaman Feature: Spirit's Shield
Shaman Feature: Speak with Spirits
Ardent Feature: Ardent Surge
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Resistive Formula
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Curative Admixture
Ranger Attack 1: Twin Strike
Bard Attack 1: Misdirected Mark
Bard Attack 1: Words of Gravity
Bard Attack 1: Firemetal Shot
Bard Attack 1: Saga of Rivalry
Bard Utility 2: Beguiling Ballad
Bard Attack 3: Echoing Weapon
Bard Attack 5: Scathing Rebuke
Bard Utility 6: Ode to Sacrifice
Bard Attack 7: Insightful Shot
Bard Attack 9: Rain of Starlight
Bard Utility 10: Mantle of Unity
Traveler's Harlequin Attack 11: Traveler's Mummery
FEATS
Bravura Leader
Level 1: Ritual Caster
Level 2: Spirit Talker
Level 4: Fervent Talent
Level 6: Barreling Charge
Level 10: Wintertouched
Level 11: Lasting Frost
Level 11: Student of Artifice
Level 11: Versatile Master
ITEMS
Ritual Book
Banish Vermin
Glib Limerick
Frost Shortbow +2 x1
Agile Chainmail +2 x1
Absence Amulet +3 x1
====== End ======
Would you go frostcheese or morninglord to achieve max KPR with that Z? DUH! Frostcheesed twin-striking half-elf bardentficeruidlordamanic!Here!Spoiler:
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======HerpDerp, level
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 9:07 PM PDT
But you don't charge with the shortbow, and so you clearly must be sub-optimal... :P
But you don't charge with the shortbow, and so you clearly must be sub-optimal... :P
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 9:19 PM PDT
Even better, you could be a charging Bard/Ardent/Cleric/Warlord/Druid/Artificer/Shaman/Fighter and be every leader at ONCE charging. Not much better than that
You need to have Thicket of Blades to be more optimal.
You need to have Thicket of Blades to be more optimal.
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 9:20 PM PDT
Ugh, so true. But can I charge with Thicket of Blades?
Ugh, so true. But can I charge with Thicket of Blades?
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 9:28 PM PDT
You can charge with any power that has a gold rating.
You can charge with any power that has a gold rating.
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 9:29 PM PDT
Really? So can I charge with Magic Weapon...Oh wait, its not gold. Damn...
Really? So can I charge with Magic Weapon...Oh wait, its not gold. Damn...
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 9:36 PM PDT
I checked you cant charge with Howling Strike either
I checked you cant charge with Howling Strike either
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Matyr
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May 13, 2012 9:37 PM PDT
You can only use ToB on a charge if you are charging into a cube of tiny pixies. Get your facts straight kiddos.
You can only use ToB on a charge if you are charging into a cube of tiny pixies. Get your facts straight kiddos.
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Jugulator007
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May 13, 2012 9:39 PM PDT
Improvised weapon shortbow charging!
Improvised weapon shortbow charging!
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 9:41 PM PDT
The shortbow has to be bladed so it Cuts.
The shortbow has to be bladed so it Cuts.
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 9:57 PM PDT
Does a bladed shortbow work with ToB, or do you need a more badass weapon?
Does a bladed shortbow work with ToB, or do you need a more badass weapon?
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mellored
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May 13, 2012 9:57 PM PDT
I wonder if this can compete with my charging wizard...
I wonder if this can compete with my charging wizard...
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zelink551
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May 13, 2012 10:16 PM PDT
You can charge with ToB all day, as its a daily. So CLEARLY it wins against a wizard!
You can charge with ToB all day, as its a daily. So CLEARLY it wins against a wizard!
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Raegoul
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May 13, 2012 11:51 PM PDT
I think Sleep with Hellsworn Blessing would give ToB some real competition when charging.
I think Sleep with Hellsworn Blessing would give ToB some real competition when charging.
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Nirafelos
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May 14, 2012 12:27 PM PDT
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.
Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking :(
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mellored
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May 14, 2012 12:38 PM PDT
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.
Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking
Tome of Battle 
Tome of Battle :cool:
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Matyr
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May 14, 2012 11:26 PM PDT
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.
Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking
Thicket of Blades. The fact that this power isn't gold in your mind depresses me.
Thicket of Blades. The fact that this power isn't gold in your mind depresses me.
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zelink551
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May 14, 2012 11:29 PM PDT
It makes us all cry. Honestly.
It makes us all cry. Honestly.
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RayjeEliwan
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May 14, 2012 11:42 PM PDT
I'm really annoyed by the realization that I know what ToB stands for.
Acronyms should be restricted to powers worth taking
Tome of Battle
Now and forever, amen.
I do love that ToB is where the REAL Thicket of Blades comes from. And that stance was build-definingly awesome. How the mighty have fallen.
Tome of Battle :cool:[/quote]Now and forever, amen.I do love that ToB is where the REAL Thicket of Blades comes from. And that stance was build-definingly awesome. How the mighty have fallen.
