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So I'm looking to make a master thrower for the upcoming game my group is planning. We just came out of a cityscape undead setting with heavy magic and lots of gold, so to change the pace we are starting at lvl 1 and will be in a rather mundane world this time around.

In short I'm considering a full 5 levels of master thrower to abuse Two with one Blow, Palm Throw, and Weak Spot, although I'm considering Trip Shot or Defensive Throw in place of TW1B.

I will likely be starting with Rogue and heading for the pre-reqs, but am torn on the exact build and would appreciate some advice.

I'd love to go 10 rogue for Crippling Strike, but I'm also tempted to take 2 lvls of Invisible Blade for Bleeding Wound. Also because I doubt I can help going less than 4 lvls into rogue, I'll be taking Disruptive attack for those pesky non-crittables.

End result at 20 would be multiple ranged dagger SAs causing stacking bleeds and strength loss, but this also means I can't take many other levels of say fighter to go 2 weapon fighting for additional attacks. I've seen some strong looking builds for this type of character on other sites, but none mentioned the bleed from Invisible Blade, and I'd like to find the most effective way of guaranteeing a full-round sneak attack, the free action feint abilities from IB may help out (assuming you can free action on each attack), or if not, I also read about "Surprising Reposte" from some Drow Book but I don't own it, and would like oppinions on how I should proceed.

I realize that this class will come into it's own later on, especially if I'm sinking 10 lvls into rogue, and would be willing to have some slower levels where I may not be such a machine, but I also want the fastest most effective way of getting to where I think this build can take me.

Please give me your advice, and if possible provide Book References for any off the wall feats/classes/items.

What's Out: Artifacts/Major Magic Items/Rare Magic Items,Uncommon Races Anything Psionic, and anything Eberron.

What's In: Forgotten Realms (just about anything goes here) and most non-campaign specific books (would prefer to stick with PHB, PHB2, DMG, Complete Warrior, and Complete Adventurer if possible).

Finally, I'm an intermediate player, and have been playing with a decent group for several years. To avoid conflict and debates, we generally avoid "if DM allows" type options, or using class features without taking levels in that class. If something like an offshoot race or feat makes sense for the build please add in your 2 cents, but I may have to decline it based on what I think or know the DM will allow.

I'll also try to take any suggested builds or ideas and show you my character progression chart asap.

Wizards of the Coast put out some errata for Complete Warrior. It limits uncanny feint to once per round. It also specifies that sneak attacks only apply once per pair of daggers thrown with palm throw. Bleeding wound and crippling strike would also only apply once, since they are used as part of a sneak attack.

May 12, 2012 -- 1:28AM, Maat_Mons wrote:

Wizards of the Coast put out some errata for Complete Warrior. It limits uncanny feint to once per round. It also specifies that sneak attacks only apply once per pair of daggers thrown with palm throw. Bleeding wound and crippling strike would also only apply once, since they are used as part of a sneak attack.

Ok, then Two With One Blow would make the better choice over Palm Throw, at least for multiple enemies, seeing as there's only 1 attack roll and the precision based damage/effects would be shared by both affected. Also, unless I can find a better way to deny the enemy it's Dex, I may as well take Double Toss. That way if I dont have flank I can still hit twice/round with precision, and still have a move action.

The biggest problem is either keeping flank or finding a feat that helps deny their Dex. If anyone has a good suggestion I may even be able to drop the 3 levels of Invisible Blade and take the 2 remaining lvls AFTER thrower Like I wanted (Rogue 10/Thrower 5/I.Blade 2/[3 free levels] that may not be reached anyways). Going the full 5 into I.Blade is a pretty heavy dip just to get Feint as a free action, although it does continue my SA damage I'm mainly here for the bleed.

Grab 3 levels of Swashbuckler from Complete Warrior and get the Daring Outlaw feat from Complete Scoundrel.  This combo not only gives you a big BAB and HD increase, it also allows you to get an INT bonus to weapons rolls (for light weapons or those affected by Weapon Finesse), Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat, and a dodge bonus to Ref, plus boosting your Sneak Attack dice as if the Swash. levels were Rogue levels.  If you have the room, levels in the Assassin, Arcane Trickster, and Unseen Seer (for the Hunter's Eye spell from PH 2) PrC's might also help (depending on your alignment).

It may be worth using the Halfling Rogue substitution in RoTW, Ranged Sneak attack +2D6 at 3rd level of it on top of your normal SA, but lower melee SA by 1D6 permanently. Just a thought for a thrower,